Phun with Phil Rogers' trade scenario

[CuseCubFan69]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

Grammatical. :lol:

 

My resume to the Trib is in the mail.

 

You didn't say you were from Missura did you?

[Diffusion]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

Grammatical. :lol:

 

My resume to the Trib is in the mail.

 

Commiserations on not getting the job. You're not going to be up to their requirements in terms of the factual and predictive.

[HoopsCubs]

I hate Phil Rogers and anyone else who suggests trading Z.

 

Here's an angle to consider. Although it's not in the MacPhail playbook to offer an arbitration eligible player a long term contract until their final year of service prior to free agency, this may be the opportunity for Jim Hendry to offer Carlos Zambrano a 3 year "reasonable" deal, which would cover his two remaining arbitration eligible years plus his first year of free agency. Keep in mind that Zambrano is represented by Boras, which provided some difficulties in the last go-around (according to a source of mine) despite Hendry and Boras having a decent relationship.

 

If you assume for a second that the Cubs could be troubled by Zambrano's work-load causing problems down the line, they may decide to do a deal with him. Despite his freakish injuries (collision with Giles and line drive off elbow), I think the Cubs still believe that Prior's near-perfect mechanics gives him the higher ceiling.

 

If Zambrano doesn't take Hendry's 3 year deal, it gives Hendry plenty of reasons to deal him. Just a theory. On that notion, I don't discount Rogers' idea out of pocket.

[wilk]

If Zambrano doesn't take Hendry's 3 year deal, it gives Hendry plenty of reasons to deal him. Just a theory. On that notion, I don't discount Rogers' idea out of pocket.

 

I think there's much more reason to assume that Prior will not accept a new deal than Zambrano. And I definitely get the impression that the Cubs value Zambrano ahead of Prior currently. Word is Prior doesn't like Baker and has told friends and family that he wants to be a FA when it's his time and isn't giving any service time / "hometown" discounts now nor then. That'd be a huge consideration. Prior has reportedly already provided difficulties this offseason when dealing with a new deal over arbitration (according to a source of mine). We'll see.

[Priorknowledge]

Can the Cubs even trade Perez because he was resigned as a FA?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Wouldn't it be worthwhile for a big market team (Cubs, for example) to hire Boras as their GM or Prez to save millions, if not billions, down the road (a la Moorad)? It seems to me that as shrewd as he is as an agent, he would be even stingier as a GM/Prez. The man definitely knows talent and what it's worth.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Wouldn't it be worthwhile for a big market team (Cubs, for example) to hire Boras as their GM or Prez to save millions, if not billions, down the road (a la Moorad)? It seems to me that as shrewd as he is as an agent, he would be even stingier as a GM/Prez. The man definitely knows talent and what it's worth.

 

In Crasnick's book, Liscence to Deal, Boras says he never wants to be in ownership and rips agents who have switched over. In his mind that's betraying the very people who he's been working for.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Wouldn't it be worthwhile for a big market team (Cubs, for example) to hire Boras as their GM or Prez to save millions, if not billions, down the road (a la Moorad)? It seems to me that as shrewd as he is as an agent, he would be even stingier as a GM/Prez. The man definitely knows talent and what it's worth.

 

In Crasnick's book, Liscence to Deal, Boras says he never wants to be in ownership and rips agents who have switched over. In his mind that's betraying the very people who he's been working for.

 

I'm sure he'd be losing a boat load of money by taking such a job, and that appears to be #1 in his book. Still, now that I have started thinking about it, I do think he would make a darn fine GM or Prez for any organization.

 

The same man who has gotten so many teams to bid against themselves suddenly trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. Sounds like a winner to me.

[Backtobanks]

For all you Hendry haters, just think if hil Rogers was the GM.

[brfahey]

Let's not lose track in this thread of what a moron Rogers is. This is the third time in about ten days where he has pushed trading Zambrano. He hates the Cubs and knows tha trading Z is a huge mistake which would greatly harm the team. Very creative in this column on how he works his White Sox buddies into the mix. I love that angle, they give up a bunch of spare parts and come out of the trade with two starters and a lefthander for their pen. I like how he says at the end "if the orioles will take Zambrano." Like they are doing us a favor or something. Why doesn't this guy either shut up or come out and admit that he hates Zambrano and/or the Cubs. Then his column can be published in the correct place: in the White Sox newsletter.

 

Maybe someone should ask Miles the next time he is on here why this idiot Rogers is so fixated on trading Carlos.

[Backtobanks]

He makes outrageous proposals to get all of us to read his column. I think he's an idiot, but I read his column to verify that fact.

[nilodnayr]

Let's not lose track in this thread of what a moron Rogers is. This is the third time in about ten days where he has pushed trading Zambrano. He hates the Cubs and knows tha trading Z is a huge mistake which would greatly harm the team. Very creative in this column on how he works his White Sox buddies into the mix. I love that angle, they give up a bunch of spare parts and come out of the trade with two starters and a lefthander for their pen. I like how he says at the end "if the orioles will take Zambrano." Like they are doing us a favor or something. Why doesn't this guy either shut up or come out and admit that he hates Zambrano and/or the Cubs. Then his column can be published in the correct place: in the White Sox newsletter.

 

Maybe someone should ask Miles the next time he is on here why this idiot Rogers is so fixated on trading Carlos.

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers. He reaches both target audiences if he can work the cubs and sox into the same column.

[neely crenshaw]

i'm sorry but if we couldn't trade z for tejada straight up then someone is crazy. if i'm the orioles and the cubs mentioned z..i would be all over it. now prior has some health and performance issues so that i could see asking for more.

if the cubs traded z for anything less than willie mays circa 65 and steve carlton circa 72..i'm leaving and taking my baseball with me.

[anemic offense]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-051223rogers,1,1089061.column?coll=cs-home-utility

 

The Cubs give up Zambrano, shortstop Neifi Perez, center fielder Corey Patterson, left-hander Will Ohman (expendable with Scott Eyre and Glendon Rusch available for the bullpen) and one of two on-the-cusp pitching prospects, either left-hander Rich Hill or right-hander Angel Guzman. They get Tejada and as many as five prospects who could fill needs in the near future—a pitcher (Hayden Penn, John Maine or Adam Loewen), two outfielders (Joe Borchard and one among the Baltimore group of Val Majewski, Jeff Florentino and Nick Markakis), first baseman Casey Rogowski and left-hander Arnie Munoz.

 

The Sox give up one arm from the Garland/Contreras/Garcia/Vazquez mix and four prospects who aren't being penciled in for big things—Borchard, Rogowski (a really good hitter who doesn't fit on a team that has Konerko and Thome), Munoz and Charles Haeger, a knuckleballer who pitched well in Venezuela after dominating Double A. They get back Bedard, a lefty with great stuff; Ohman, who fills the bullpen need and could allow Neal Cotts to move into the rotation in 2007; and either Hill or Guzman.

 

The Orioles wind up with the most inventory, as they should. They get Zambrano and Garland, Contreras, Garcia or Vazquez along with Perez, Patterson and Haeger. They give up Tejada, Bedard and a pitching prospect.

 

In this deal, the Orioles take on a little additional salary and the Sox save some, which they could put away to help with a midseason move. The Cubs would get Tejada while hanging on to Ronny Cedeno—who becomes the second baseman, triggering a Todd Walker trade—and Pie. The deal would be essentially neutral in terms of payroll, allowing Hendry the flexibility to pick off two or three of the remaining free agents, including a starter to replace Zambrano.

 

The possibilities are intriguing, indeed, for teams on both sides of town—if the Orioles will take Zambrano as part of a deal for Tejada.

 

Zambrano

Perez

Patterson

Ohman

Hill/Guzman

 

for...

 

Tejada

Penn/Maine/Loewen

Borchard

Majewski/Florentino/Markakis

Rogowski

Munoz

 

I like the idea of getting rid of Perez. :)

 

Cheese and rice. I leave for Christmas, get back and I get to see this. Just when you think Phil Rogers CAN'T propose a more idiotic trade than the ones he already has he concocts this gem. I tell ya, ole Nil keeps getting dumber by the minute and by this time tommorrow he'll have the Cubs trading Lee, Aram, Z, Prior, Barrett, Cedeno, Dempster, Murton, and Pierre for Brett Tomko. His filth is a waste of space. The Trib would be much better off if they took him off the payroll and replaced his spance with ads. He'd that terrible.

[RynoHawk]

Zambrano and Prior should be untouchables.

[Gunned]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

[nilodnayr]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

 

Well, he doesn't physically sell them, they get homeless people to do that, but newspapers are a business. The more inflammatory and sensationalized, the more people are going to want to buy it.

[Gunned]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

 

Well, he doesn't physically sell them, they get homeless people to do that, but newspapers are a business. The more inflammatory and sensationalized, the more people are going to want to buy it.

 

A very small fraction of a newspaper's income actually comes from newspaper sales. It's all about the advertising now -- something I sadly am forced to deal with every day (I'm a newspaper editor). While circulation certainly affects ad revenues, the Trib's funds won't be determined by whether Phil Rogers writes ludicrous trade proposals or not.

 

With a few exceptions, the job of a writer is to report the news and, in some instances, comment on it. It's an insult to say that reporters are there to inflame and sensationalize every aspect of the news just to nab a few extra subscribers. I guess it's true of a one certain windbag in this city, but for the most part, it's an awfully harmful and dangerous misconception.

[Careless]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

 

Well, he doesn't physically sell them, they get homeless people to do that, but newspapers are a business. The more inflammatory and sensationalized, the more people are going to want to buy it.

 

A very small fraction of a newspaper's income actually comes from newspaper sales. It's all about the advertising now -- something I sadly am forced to deal with every day (I'm a newspaper editor). While circulation certainly affects ad revenues, the Trib's funds won't be determined by whether Phil Rogers writes ludicrous trade proposals or not.

 

With a few exceptions, the job of a writer is to report the news and, in some instances, comment on it. It's an insult to say that reporters are there to inflame and sensationalize every aspect of the news just to nab a few extra subscribers. I guess it's true of a one certain windbag in this city, but for the most part, it's an awfully harmful and dangerous misconception.

newspapers with circulations of 5 copies don't routinely sell ads for $50,000 a page.

the more newspapers you sell, the more your ads are worth.

 

edited to remove sarcasm

[Gunned]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

 

Well, he doesn't physically sell them, they get homeless people to do that, but newspapers are a business. The more inflammatory and sensationalized, the more people are going to want to buy it.

 

A very small fraction of a newspaper's income actually comes from newspaper sales. It's all about the advertising now -- something I sadly am forced to deal with every day (I'm a newspaper editor). While circulation certainly affects ad revenues, the Trib's funds won't be determined by whether Phil Rogers writes ludicrous trade proposals or not.

 

With a few exceptions, the job of a writer is to report the news and, in some instances, comment on it. It's an insult to say that reporters are there to inflame and sensationalize every aspect of the news just to nab a few extra subscribers. I guess it's true of a one certain windbag in this city, but for the most part, it's an awfully harmful and dangerous misconception.

newspapers with circulations of 5 copies don't routinely sell ads for $50,000 a page.

the more newspapers you sell, the more your ads are worth.

 

edited to remove sarcasm

 

I'm aware of that, and that's what I said. Ads are affected by circulation. But Phil's editor doesn't say to him, "Hey, our numbers are slipping, why don't you cook up some absurd article today and get more subscribers!"

[DougDascenzo]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

 

Well, he doesn't physically sell them, they get homeless people to do that, but newspapers are a business. The more inflammatory and sensationalized, the more people are going to want to buy it.

 

A very small fraction of a newspaper's income actually comes from newspaper sales. It's all about the advertising now -- something I sadly am forced to deal with every day (I'm a newspaper editor). While circulation certainly affects ad revenues, the Trib's funds won't be determined by whether Phil Rogers writes ludicrous trade proposals or not.

 

With a few exceptions, the job of a writer is to report the news and, in some instances, comment on it. It's an insult to say that reporters are there to inflame and sensationalize every aspect of the news just to nab a few extra subscribers. I guess it's true of a one certain windbag in this city, but for the most part, it's an awfully harmful and dangerous misconception.

newspapers with circulations of 5 copies don't routinely sell ads for $50,000 a page.

the more newspapers you sell, the more your ads are worth.

 

edited to remove sarcasm

 

I'm aware of that, and that's what I said. Ads are affected by circulation. But Phil's editor doesn't say to him, "Hey, our numbers are slipping, why don't you cook up some absurd article today and get more subscribers!"

 

no... he knows to do that himself.

[RynoRules]

Don't forget that Rogers job is to sell newspapers.

 

That's not really how it works.

 

Well, he doesn't physically sell them, they get homeless people to do that, but newspapers are a business. The more inflammatory and sensationalized, the more people are going to want to buy it.

 

A very small fraction of a newspaper's income actually comes from newspaper sales. It's all about the advertising now -- something I sadly am forced to deal with every day (I'm a newspaper editor). While circulation certainly affects ad revenues, the Trib's funds won't be determined by whether Phil Rogers writes ludicrous trade proposals or not.

 

With a few exceptions, the job of a writer is to report the news and, in some instances, comment on it. It's an insult to say that reporters are there to inflame and sensationalize every aspect of the news just to nab a few extra subscribers. I guess it's true of a one certain windbag in this city, but for the most part, it's an awfully harmful and dangerous misconception.

newspapers with circulations of 5 copies don't routinely sell ads for $50,000 a page.

the more newspapers you sell, the more your ads are worth.

 

edited to remove sarcasm

 

I'm aware of that, and that's what I said. Ads are affected by circulation. But Phil's editor doesn't say to him, "Hey, our numbers are slipping, why don't you cook up some absurd article today and get more subscribers!"

 

no... he knows to do that himself.

 

And if he forgets I am certain that he is reminded.

[wilk]

And if he forgets I am certain that he is reminded.

 

You are certain? I am certain that no one tells nor reminds him "Hey, our numbers are slipping, why don't you cook up some absurd article today and get more subscribers!"

[Gunned]

I'm sure people would take me more seriously if I had 7,829 posts. My apologies.

[wilk]

I'm sure people would take me more seriously if I had 7,829 posts. My apologies.

 

Exactly. The most credible people are the dorm room GMs with the most time and the most posts. Your fault for not realizing that.