Ken Rosenthal Reporting Cubs Going Hard After Tejada...

[JWCUB]

I would like to mention one more time that Tejada usually walks fewer times each season than Corey did in '04.

 

I have to ask...

 

Likely, greater difference in production going from Cedeno to Tejada or Burnitz (now Jones) to Abreu/Dunn?

 

Just trying to gauge, how much the fact that Tejada plays SS is factoring into the equation?

For '06, I think it is very likely to be a bigger boost to production to go to Abreu than the other two. However, I can see the argument against him because he's older. I can't see the Cubs valuing Dunn correctly because of the K's and I think they would be very uncomfortable shipping Prior within the division.

 

 

Ship him to Boston for Manny.

[nolanwood]

If we landed a big bat in a trade for Prior, I think we would be going the opposite direction.

 

An upgrade of Tejada over Cedeno wouldn't outweigh the loss of Prior in our rotation.

[Tim]

I would like to mention one more time that Tejada usually walks fewer times each season than Corey did in '04.

 

I have to ask...

 

Likely, greater difference in production going from Cedeno to Tejada or Burnitz (now Jones) to Abreu/Dunn?

 

Just trying to gauge, how much the fact that Tejada plays SS is factoring into the equation?

For '06, I think it is very likely to be a bigger boost to production to go to Abreu than the other two. However, I can see the argument against him because he's older. I can't see the Cubs valuing Dunn correctly because of the K's and I think they would be very uncomfortable shipping Prior within the division.

 

 

Ship him to Boston for Manny.

Same age concerns, much bigger attitude questions and defensive liability issues, as well.

[JWCUB]

I would like to mention one more time that Tejada usually walks fewer times each season than Corey did in '04.

 

I have to ask...

 

Likely, greater difference in production going from Cedeno to Tejada or Burnitz (now Jones) to Abreu/Dunn?

 

Just trying to gauge, how much the fact that Tejada plays SS is factoring into the equation?

For '06, I think it is very likely to be a bigger boost to production to go to Abreu than the other two. However, I can see the argument against him because he's older. I can't see the Cubs valuing Dunn correctly because of the K's and I think they would be very uncomfortable shipping Prior within the division.

 

 

Ship him to Boston for Manny.

Same age concerns, much bigger attitude questions and defensive liability issues, as well.

 

Sammy had the same if not worse ego, attitude problems. Not to mention defensive issues. As long as he produces, IMO it's a non-issue. Chemistry on the other hand....?

[Connor McConnor]

By the way.....both Prior and Wood had opportunities of a lifetime handed to them in 03. That is.....lead the Cubs to a World Series with 1 victory. BOTH FAILED. Granted....they didnt get much help....but if there was ever a time for a complete game of your life.....that was it. Didnt happen.

 

What???

 

The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God.

 

Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

By the way.....both Prior and Wood had opportunities of a lifetime handed to them in 03. That is.....lead the Cubs to a World Series with 1 victory. BOTH FAILED. Granted....they didnt get much help....but if there was ever a time for a complete game of your life.....that was it. Didnt happen.

 

What???

 

The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God.

 

Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman.

 

There were other players on that roster, no? Last I checked, baseball was a TEAM sport. Sure, Prior or Wood could have gone out and no-hit the fish, but the offenses could have scored more runs too.

[soapy]

By the way.....both Prior and Wood had opportunities of a lifetime handed to them in 03. That is.....lead the Cubs to a World Series with 1 victory. BOTH FAILED. Granted....they didnt get much help....but if there was ever a time for a complete game of your life.....that was it. Didnt happen.

 

What???

 

The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God.

 

Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman.

 

You're right. They haven't won a World Series for the Cubs (or even gotten to one). They should be traded. Also, Ramirez didn't get the Cubs there either. See ya!

 

Probably should have had the same philosophy for the following: Banks, Jenkins, Santo, Sandberg, Dawson, Grace, Sosa...I mean, these guys never won (or even appeared in) a World Series, right? Bums!

[Connor McConnor]

By the way.....both Prior and Wood had opportunities of a lifetime handed to them in 03. That is.....lead the Cubs to a World Series with 1 victory. BOTH FAILED. Granted....they didnt get much help....but if there was ever a time for a complete game of your life.....that was it. Didnt happen.

 

What???

 

The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God.

 

Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman.

 

You're right. They haven't won a World Series for the Cubs (or even gotten to one). They should be traded. Also, Ramirez didn't get the Cubs there either. See ya!

 

Probably should have had the same philosophy for the following: Banks, Jenkins, Santo, Sandberg, Dawson, Grace, Sosa...I mean, these guys never won (or even appeared in) a World Series, right? Bums!

 

We are getting a player back in the trade...right? A guy who has played most of 162 games for 5 years? MVP....dominating shortstop?

 

All the names you mentioned.....great players.....so what? We havent won a world series in 100 stinking years! THey must not have been THAT great. Except, of course, to Cub fans. Instead of celebrating past champions we are forced to celebrate players who were great individually but never brought the Cubs a championship.

 

Again...Im not saying the deal is the right thing...but to just dismiss it because Prior is obviously the second coming is just wrong. He has huge question marks......he's PROVEN that he has huge question marks......apparently your convinced he will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come. Thats a huge leap of faith.....

 

THe deal is certainly worth considering....and may be worth doing. It's a risk...but high reward things always are.

Edited December 23, 2005 by LemmeHearYa

[jmajew]

Sorry to jump in so late but I have a gut feeling that if we make a three way deal it would include the A's and I don't think it would be that bad of a deal. I think it would be something like this:

 

Orioles get: Prior, Hill, Patterson

A's get: Bedard and Dopirak

Cubs get: Tejada and Zito

 

With all this said with the recent signing of Jacque Jones for three years and the trade for Pierre I see absolutely no reason why Pie would be untouchable. To me it would actually make more sense to trade him because he will be blocked for a few years by "proven" major Leaguers. If I were Hendry i'd offer up Pie, Hill, Patterson straight up for Tejada. Hendry's unwillingness to trade Pie now is unexcusable in my humble opinion.

[Magnetic Curses]

By the way.....both Prior and Wood had opportunities of a lifetime handed to them in 03. That is.....lead the Cubs to a World Series with 1 victory. BOTH FAILED. Granted....they didnt get much help....but if there was ever a time for a complete game of your life.....that was it. Didnt happen.

 

What???

 

The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God.

 

Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman.

 

You're right. They haven't won a World Series for the Cubs (or even gotten to one). They should be traded. Also, Ramirez didn't get the Cubs there either. See ya!

 

Probably should have had the same philosophy for the following: Banks, Jenkins, Santo, Sandberg, Dawson, Grace, Sosa...I mean, these guys never won (or even appeared in) a World Series, right? Bums!

 

We are getting a player back in the trade...right? A guy who has played most of 162 games for 5 years? MVP....dominating shortstop?

 

All the names you mentioned.....great players.....so what? We havent won a world series in 100 stinking years! THey must not have been THAT great. Except, of course, to Cub fans. Instead of celebrating past champions we are forced to celebrate players who were great indicidually but never brought the Cubs a championship.

 

Again...Im not saying the deal is the right thing...but to just dismiss it because Prior is obviously the second coming is just wrong. He has huge question marks......he's PROVEN that he has huge question marks......apparently your convinced he will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come. Thats a huge leap of faith.....

 

THe deal is certainly worth considering....and may be worth doing. It's a risk...but high reward things always are.

 

you aren't listening at all, while your logic is being shot to shreds.

[Connor McConnor]

By the way.....both Prior and Wood had opportunities of a lifetime handed to them in 03. That is.....lead the Cubs to a World Series with 1 victory. BOTH FAILED. Granted....they didnt get much help....but if there was ever a time for a complete game of your life.....that was it. Didnt happen.

 

What???

 

The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God.

 

Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman.

 

You're right. They haven't won a World Series for the Cubs (or even gotten to one). They should be traded. Also, Ramirez didn't get the Cubs there either. See ya!

 

Probably should have had the same philosophy for the following: Banks, Jenkins, Santo, Sandberg, Dawson, Grace, Sosa...I mean, these guys never won (or even appeared in) a World Series, right? Bums!

 

We are getting a player back in the trade...right? A guy who has played most of 162 games for 5 years? MVP....dominating shortstop?

 

All the names you mentioned.....great players.....so what? We havent won a world series in 100 stinking years! THey must not have been THAT great. Except, of course, to Cub fans. Instead of celebrating past champions we are forced to celebrate players who were great indicidually but never brought the Cubs a championship.

 

Again...Im not saying the deal is the right thing...but to just dismiss it because Prior is obviously the second coming is just wrong. He has huge question marks......he's PROVEN that he has huge question marks......apparently your convinced he will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come. Thats a huge leap of faith.....

 

THe deal is certainly worth considering....and may be worth doing. It's a risk...but high reward things always are.

 

you aren't listening at all, while your logic is being shot to shreds.

 

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

[Magnetic Curses]

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

 

maybe he's had injury problems, not all of them his fault, but he's hardly been inconsistent.

 

that's a laugh.

[goonys evil twin]

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

 

Then why do you keep harping on the team's lack of success and the assumption that this fact somehow justifies a Prior deal.

 

He's 24 years old. If you judge a 24 year old pitcher on what he has not yet accomplished as a baseball player, you're not doing a good job of analyzing the game.

[Fro]

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

 

Then why do you keep harping on the team's lack of success and the assumption that this fact somehow justifies a Prior deal.

 

He's 24 years old. If you judge a 24 year old pitcher on what he has not yet accomplished as a baseball player, you're not doing a good job of analyzing the game.

 

He's 25 years old as of September.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

 

Then why do you keep harping on the team's lack of success and the assumption that this fact somehow justifies a Prior deal.

 

He's 24 years old. If you judge a 24 year old pitcher on what he has not yet accomplished as a baseball player, you're not doing a good job of analyzing the game.

 

He's 25 years old as of September.

 

Then by all means, get rid of the old bum.

[goonys evil twin]

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

 

Then why do you keep harping on the team's lack of success and the assumption that this fact somehow justifies a Prior deal.

 

He's 24 years old. If you judge a 24 year old pitcher on what he has not yet accomplished as a baseball player, you're not doing a good job of analyzing the game.

 

He's 25 years old as of September.

 

Sorry.

 

If you judge a just turned 25 year old pitcher on what he has not yet accomplished as a baseball player you're not doing a good job of analyzing the game.

[Magnetic Curses]

has anyone mentioned that these are prior's career numbers?:

 

.233/.297/.382/.676

 

43-21, 3.24 era in 97 starts, 1.19 whip, 719 SO in 613 IP.

 

trading him would be absolutely stupid.

[brfahey]

I like Prior as well as the next guy and am not a big proponent of trading him, but... I don't think the concern about him should be injury related. I think there should be worry about his tendency to throw a ton of pitches early in a game. He did if a lot last year, where he'd be at 100 pitches in the 5th. He seems to nibble around at times. He averaged about 6 1/3 per start last year and about 5 2/3 in 2004. Zambrano averaged over 6 2/3 each of those years.

 

Prior's great while he's in there; I just wish he was around more, later in games.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

has anyone mentioned that these are prior's career numbers?:

 

.233/.297/.382/.676

 

43-21, 3.24 era in 97 starts, 1.19 whip, 719 SO in 613 IP.

 

trading him would be absolutely stupid.

 

That's a 10.55 K/9 for his career, insane.

 

Also, I thought the batting line you posted were his numbers at the plate for a minute.

[samhainn77]

Omg, please let this go away.

[Magnetic Curses]

has anyone mentioned that these are prior's career numbers?:

 

.233/.297/.382/.676

 

43-21, 3.24 era in 97 starts, 1.19 whip, 719 SO in 613 IP.

 

trading him would be absolutely stupid.

 

That's a 10.55 K/9 for his career, insane.

 

Also, I thought the batting line you posted were his numbers at the plate for a minute.

 

that would make him better than corey, at least, last year.

[Connor McConnor]

I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......

 

maybe he's had injury problems, not all of them his fault, but he's hardly been inconsistent.

 

that's a laugh.

 

It's equally as laughable to just say...when he's been bad....it because of injuries. He was healthy for a lot of last year....and had some very rough outings.

 

Your convinced Prior will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come....I'm not as sure as you are. One of us will be wrong. We shall see.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

has anyone mentioned that these are prior's career numbers?:

 

.233/.297/.382/.676

 

43-21, 3.24 era in 97 starts, 1.19 whip, 719 SO in 613 IP.

 

trading him would be absolutely stupid.

 

That's a 10.55 K/9 for his career, insane.

 

Also, I thought the batting line you posted were his numbers at the plate for a minute.

 

that would make him better than corey, at least, last year.

 

Pretty close to Corey last year:

229/260/271/531

[goonys evil twin]

I like Prior as well as the next guy and am not a big proponent of trading him, but... I don't think the concern about him should be injury related. I think there should be worry about his tendency to throw a ton of pitches early in a game. He did if a lot last year, where he'd be at 100 pitches in the 5th. He seems to nibble around at times. He averaged about 6 1/3 per start last year and about 5 2/3 in 2004. Zambrano averaged over 6 2/3 each of those years.

 

Prior's great while he's in there; I just wish he was around more, later in games.

 

He's 25 years old. He's still learning to be better and better. You can't expect him to be perfect now. And unlike guys like Peavy or Willis, he doesn't have the benefit of cavernous ballparks to hold his mistakes.

[brfahey]

I like Prior as well as the next guy and am not a big proponent of trading him, but... I don't think the concern about him should be injury related. I think there should be worry about his tendency to throw a ton of pitches early in a game. He did if a lot last year, where he'd be at 100 pitches in the 5th. He seems to nibble around at times. He averaged about 6 1/3 per start last year and about 5 2/3 in 2004. Zambrano averaged over 6 2/3 each of those years.

 

Prior's great while he's in there; I just wish he was around more, later in games.

 

He's 25 years old. He's still learning to be better and better. You can't expect him to be perfect now. And unlike guys like Peavy or Willis, he doesn't have the benefit of cavernous ballparks to hold his mistakes.

 

Just so I understand: is your comment on the cavernous ballparks a way of explaining why he nibbles at times?