What you're getting in JJ (so long it needs it's own thread)

[Soul]

Not that I necessarily agree with what the original poster had to say, I liked his angle. This day in age (although usually for good reason) people are relying (almost exclusively) on the use of stats to the point its nauseating. And while I have serious doubts about his ability to contribute on this TEAM I appreciate the observation from someone who's seen play on a daily basis, even if the stat comparisions are a little "fuzzy".

 

What I do gather from his information (the intended purpose of the post anyways) is that Jones has some usefulness that isn't expressed in his moribund stats. Personally (I cannot back this up whatsoever :lol: ), I think the Metrodome contributed to a lot of his futility, as well as the fact there was an absence of feared hitters in that lineup (although Jones isn't exactly to be feared himself). This lineup has Lee, Aram, and Barrett, which should be enough to assured that he's pitched to. Which is why I feel this will be a great or horrible signing. He'll either play well enough to easily justify is 5.5 million dollar a year salary (by today's ridiculous salary standards) or he'll be down right terrible. And while I can't really say with any certainty he'll be good I can't totally right him off either. He may for this reason (aside from our injury prone staff), be the biggest swing factor on this team. For no one else (assuming Cpats gone, and rookies aside) do I see the disparity between the high end and low end potential so large. Hopefully we'll see the former and not the latter.

 

Jones will be useful in 75% of the games and it will be nice to have a good glove in RF. He's not garbage or some "homeless home," but Hendry needs to find a right handed hitter who can replace Jones from time to time in RF. This signing isn't good, but the sky's not falling either. No need for hysteria.

 

Definitely no need for hysteria. We weren't a contender before this acquisition, and we still aren't.

 

Status quo.

[E.J.]

Not that I necessarily agree with what the original poster had to say, I liked his angle. This day in age (although usually for good reason) people are relying (almost exclusively) on the use of stats to the point its nauseating.

 

I don't see why its nauseating. People aren't just making up stats. They are using stats that have been shown to be far more reliable describers and predictors of production than tired old cliches. And it's not true that people are relying exclusively on them. People have seen Jones play. He's a known commodity.

 

I don't think it's "nauseating." But the team that won the World Series this year supposedly had shaky stats up & down the roster. At least, that's what plenty of people on this board tried to sell us.

 

Yet, they still took home the prize. So then, perhaps naked statistics don't tell the whole story of a ballplayer or a team. I do agree they are an excellent tool for evaluation and there's a good reason why people rely on them. Sometimes though, teams & players come along that just defy logic.

 

The White Sox had amazing pitching last season and in the playoffs. They almost blew their 15 game lead in the division though because the pitching was struggling and the offense couldn't pick up the slack

[goonys evil twin]

Jones will be useful in 75% of the games and it will be nice to have a good glove in RF.

 

Burnitz had a good glove, that didn't help anything last year. The Cubs got far better than expected defense last year at SS, that didn't help anything.

 

Jones is crap. I don't know what useful in 75% of the games means, but he's no more useful in RF than Neifi is at SS or 2B, or Macias was as a utility guy. Just because you can fill the position doesn't mean you are good at the position.

[Mark_R]

Jones will be useful in 75% of the games and it will be nice to have a good glove in RF.

 

Burnitz had a good glove, that didn't help anything last year. The Cubs got far better than expected defense last year at SS, that didn't help anything.

 

Jones is crap. I don't know what useful in 75% of the games means, but he's no more useful in RF than Neifi is at SS or 2B, or Macias was as a utility guy. Just because you can fill the position doesn't mean you are good at the position.

 

 

I would be fine with Jones if he was strictly used in a plattoon where he's over an .800 OPS since 2002, but I realize he won't be.

 

And that is very unfortunate.

[UK1679666180]

I don't know why Intentional BBs and HBPs are not taken out of OBP in terms of IsoD.

 

There's nothing there that indicates a special ability to draw a BB when you're nailed or given a free pass.

 

If you take take out IBBs and HBPs, you have an IsoD of .52

 

If you did that in '04, you would've had an IsoD of .48.

[CubfaninCA]

Not that I necessarily agree with what the original poster had to say, I liked his angle. This day in age (although usually for good reason) people are relying (almost exclusively) on the use of stats to the point its nauseating. And while I have serious doubts about his ability to contribute on this TEAM I appreciate the observation from someone who's seen play on a daily basis, even if the stat comparisions are a little "fuzzy".

 

What I do gather from his information (the intended purpose of the post anyways) is that Jones has some usefulness that isn't expressed in his moribund stats. Personally (I cannot back this up whatsoever :lol: ), I think the Metrodome contributed to a lot of his futility, as well as the fact there was an absence of feared hitters in that lineup (although Jones isn't exactly to be feared himself). This lineup has Lee, Aram, and Barrett, which should be enough to assured that he's pitched to. Which is why I feel this will be a great or horrible signing. He'll either play well enough to easily justify is 5.5 million dollar a year salary (by today's ridiculous salary standards) or he'll be down right terrible. And while I can't really say with any certainty he'll be good I can't totally right him off either. He may for this reason (aside from our injury prone staff), be the biggest swing factor on this team. For no one else (assuming Cpats gone, and rookies aside) do I see the disparity between the high end and low end potential so large. Hopefully we'll see the former and not the latter.

 

Jones will be useful in 75% of the games and it will be nice to have a good glove in RF. He's not garbage or some "homeless home," but Hendry needs to find a right handed hitter who can replace Jones from time to time in RF. This signing isn't good, but the sky's not falling either. No need for hysteria.

 

Definitely no need for hysteria. We weren't a contender before this acquisition, and we still aren't.

 

Status quo.

 

If the pitching holds up for a change, this team can contend. Prior, Z & Wood could be the best 1-2-3 in the game. As for status quo, Jones is better than some of the remaining options, Patterson, Burnitz and RoWhite. And last I heard LA turned down Reggie Sanders cause he wanted 3 and 18.

[Magnetic Curses]

Not that I necessarily agree with what the original poster had to say, I liked his angle. This day in age (although usually for good reason) people are relying (almost exclusively) on the use of stats to the point its nauseating.

 

I don't see why its nauseating. People aren't just making up stats. They are using stats that have been shown to be far more reliable describers and predictors of production than tired old cliches. And it's not true that people are relying exclusively on them. People have seen Jones play. He's a known commodity.

 

I don't think it's "nauseating." But the team that won the World Series this year supposedly had shaky stats up & down the roster. At least, that's what plenty of people on this board tried to sell us.

 

Yet, they still took home the prize. So then, perhaps naked statistics don't tell the whole story of a ballplayer or a team. I do agree they are an excellent tool for evaluation and there's a good reason why people rely on them. Sometimes though, teams & players come along that just defy logic.

 

the white sox offense ranked 9th out of 14 AL teams, they were terrible.

 

please do not invoke the offense of the sox when lauding conventional wisdom.

 

if you like conventional wisdom, you probably also sit up on christmas eve waiting for santa claus, too.