Trade for a pitcher to trade for a big bat (Zito or Vazquez)

[WindyCity]

It seems like the only way the Cubs can trade for a big bat like Abreu or Tejada is to trade a starter that is a known commodity with past success and young enough to interest the Phillies or O's..... not wanting to give up Z or Prior in any deal leaves the Cubs without any currency to use in such a deal.

 

Therefore, it seems like the best approach is to try and trade for a quality starter that you a) believe is good enough to be the centerpiece of a deal that can net you Abreu or Tejada and b) don't mind keeping on your staff if for some reason you can't move them.

 

Zito and Vazquez seem to be the likely options that are available. Not sure on Zito, but with Vazquez requesting a trade, he may come at a lower price. Though if rotoworld is correct in their claim of the White Sox offering Contreras or Garland for Vazquez, that price doesn't seem that low.....

 

The D'backs have interest in CPat -- so would Corey and 1-2 arms from the farm be enough for AZ? What quality of pitching prospect would they need to be? or do folks think AZ would need ML-pitching in return -- maybe Corey, Jerome, and a pitching prospect not named Hill/Guzman?

 

Thouhts on this appraoch and what it would take to pry away Zito/Vaz? If one of the them is acquired what else would need to be included in order to land Abreu/Tejada?

[WrigleyinEngland]

Why not trade for vasquez and keep him??. If we are going to take on the $$ why not trade for him and one of Tracy/Green?.

[WindyCity]

Why not trade for vasquez and keep him??. If we are going to take on the $$ why not trade for him and one of Tracy/Green?.

 

My assumption is the need for a big bat to play everyday is still a greater need than another starter.... I would have no problem keeping Vazquez though.

[Backtobanks]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

[BigbadB]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

 

Unfortunately, that might end up being the best available option remaining.

[HoopsCubs]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

 

If we want the Cubs to do this, Hendry needs to quickly head off Kenny Williams at the pass. It sounds like the Sox have been flying under the radar, and have offered either Garland or Contreras and an OF prospect for Vazquez, and seem to be the leading contenders to get him.

 

As for Green, he has that limited NTC. It's improbable he'd waive it unless a team picked up his 2008 option. And, I'm not even sure he'd waive it anyway.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

As for Green, he has that limited NTC. It's improbable he'd waive it unless a team picked up his 2008 option. And, I'm not even sure he'd waive it anyway.

 

Green's a Chicago boy. You don't think he'd waive it to come home even if there was no guarantee of that option being picked up? 2 years to play at home would be worth taking a chance on that 3rd year, I would hope.

[Backtobanks]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

 

Unfortunately, that might end up being the best available option remaining.

 

Why do you say "unfortunately"? Green is a left-handed bat that has consistently decent numbers. No he's not Abreu or Dunn, but he's better than Huff, Burnitz, or Jacque Jones. Vasquez is a good #2 (on some teams) or #3 starter who is overpriced, but not more than Millwood or Burnett. Wood comes back strong in May and you trade either Wood or Vasquez at the trade deadline.

[RynoRules]

Green: http://www.baseballreference.com/g/greensh01.shtml

 

Anyone hazzard a guess as to why his power nos. have declined so steeply over the last few years?

[BigbadB]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

 

Unfortunately, that might end up being the best available option remaining.

 

Why do you say "unfortunately"? Green is a left-handed bat that has consistently decent numbers. No he's not Abreu or Dunn, but he's better than Huff, Burnitz, or Jacque Jones. Vasquez is a good #2 (on some teams) or #3 starter who is overpriced, but not more than Millwood or Burnett. Wood comes back strong in May and you trade either Wood or Vasquez at the trade deadline.

 

I say unfortunately, because a deal like that will completely deplete the farm system, and these guys are not impact players.

[Backtobanks]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

 

Unfortunately, that might end up being the best available option remaining.

 

Why do you say "unfortunately"? Green is a left-handed bat that has consistently decent numbers. No he's not Abreu or Dunn, but he's better than Huff, Burnitz, or Jacque Jones. Vasquez is a good #2 (on some teams) or #3 starter who is overpriced, but not more than Millwood or Burnett. Wood comes back strong in May and you trade either Wood or Vasquez at the trade deadline.

 

I say unfortunately, because a deal like that will completely deplete the farm system, and these guys are not impact players.

 

I don't think taking both of these players would necessarily deplete the farm system depending on who's paying their money. If we're paying their overpriced contract, they might be cheaper (in players) than you think. You're right about them not being impact players, but an impact player (Abreu, Dunn, Manny) would deplete our farm system and our major league SP.

[Jehrico]

As for Green, he has that limited NTC. It's improbable he'd waive it unless a team picked up his 2008 option. And, I'm not even sure he'd waive it anyway.

 

Yeah, but it's not like he asked for that NTC clause to stay in AZ. If you recall, he got that from the Dodgers, and was less than enthused about going to Arizona. As someone else mentioned, he's from around the Chicago area, I don't think he'd put up too much resistance to come to Chicago.

[wilk]

As for Green, he has that limited NTC. It's improbable he'd waive it unless a team picked up his 2008 option. And, I'm not even sure he'd waive it anyway.

 

Yeah, but it's not like he asked for that NTC clause to stay in AZ. If you recall, he got that from the Dodgers, and was less than enthused about going to Arizona. As someone else mentioned, he's from around the Chicago area, I don't think he'd put up too much resistance to come to Chicago.

 

Shawn Green moved from "around the Chicago area" to New Jersey when he was 11 months old - then moved to California shortly after where Green was raised and grew up. His wife is from Arizona, which is why he accepted that trade. He has no real connection to Chicago. He's not a Chicago boy. He's a California boy.

Edited December 13, 2005 by wilk

[Ding Dong Johnson]

As for Green, he has that limited NTC. It's improbable he'd waive it unless a team picked up his 2008 option. And, I'm not even sure he'd waive it anyway.

 

Yeah, but it's not like he asked for that NTC clause to stay in AZ. If you recall, he got that from the Dodgers, and was less than enthused about going to Arizona. As someone else mentioned, he's from around the Chicago area, I don't think he'd put up too much resistance to come to Chicago.

 

Actually it is an AZ thing. His limited NTC will allow trades to the Angels, Padres, and Dodgers.

[YearofDaCubs]

I dont know why some of you are so enamored with Green. His numbers aren't that great and let's face it since his shoulder injury he hasn't put up more than 28 homers in a season nor has he hit close to 100 rbis after his injury. Burnitz can probably give u the same type of numbers so how exactly is this guy an upgrade?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I dont know why some of you are so enamored with Green. His numbers aren't that great and let's face it since his shoulder injury he hasn't put up more than 28 homers in a season nor has he hit close to 100 rbis after his injury. Burnitz can probably give u the same type of numbers so how exactly is this guy an upgrade?

 

Burnitz can give you .280/.355/.470? He hasn't done that outside of Coors this millenium.

[YearofDaCubs]

I dont know why some of you are so enamored with Green. His numbers aren't that great and let's face it since his shoulder injury he hasn't put up more than 28 homers in a season nor has he hit close to 100 rbis after his injury. Burnitz can probably give u the same type of numbers so how exactly is this guy an upgrade?

 

Burnitz can give you .280/.355/.470? He hasn't done that outside of Coors this millenium.

No, but he can give you 22hr and 73 rbis which is what Green had last year. For what it will take to trade for him and take on his 8.5 mil salary you think he will be such an upgrade over Burnitz? I don't think so. You might as well sign JJones or Encarnacion then.

[CuseCubFan69]

I dont know why some of you are so enamored with Green. His numbers aren't that great and let's face it since his shoulder injury he hasn't put up more than 28 homers in a season nor has he hit close to 100 rbis after his injury. Burnitz can probably give u the same type of numbers so how exactly is this guy an upgrade?

 

Burnitz can give you .280/.355/.470? He hasn't done that outside of Coors this millenium.

 

The Cubs should have platooned Burnitz with another bat. I'll never understand why the guy had to play every game.

[goonys evil twin]

I dont know why some of you are so enamored with Green. His numbers aren't that great and let's face it since his shoulder injury he hasn't put up more than 28 homers in a season nor has he hit close to 100 rbis after his injury. Burnitz can probably give u the same type of numbers so how exactly is this guy an upgrade?

 

Burnitz can give you .280/.355/.470? He hasn't done that outside of Coors this millenium.

 

The Cubs should have platooned Burnitz with another bat. I'll never understand why the guy had to play every game.

 

That's easy.

 

He is a proven veteran and had a big contract. You don't sit proven veterans who are used to starting everyday and make a lot of money.

[CuseCubFan69]

I dont know why some of you are so enamored with Green. His numbers aren't that great and let's face it since his shoulder injury he hasn't put up more than 28 homers in a season nor has he hit close to 100 rbis after his injury. Burnitz can probably give u the same type of numbers so how exactly is this guy an upgrade?

 

Burnitz can give you .280/.355/.470? He hasn't done that outside of Coors this millenium.

 

The Cubs should have platooned Burnitz with another bat. I'll never understand why the guy had to play every game.

 

That's easy.

 

He is a proven veteran and had a big contract. You don't sit proven veterans who are used to starting everyday and make a lot of money.

 

Maybe if Hendry doesn't get an impact bat for right that might end up working in our favor...the letting go of Johnnie B.

[katway]

Why not expand the deal to include Vasquez and Shawn Green. Together they make about $20 million. That would solve RF and SP problems. Maybe an offer of Patterson, Williams or Hill, Guzman, & Welly.

 

If we want the Cubs to do this, Hendry needs to quickly head off Kenny Williams at the pass. It sounds like the Sox have been flying under the radar, and have offered either Garland or Contreras and an OF prospect for Vasquez, and seem to be the leading contenders to get him.

 

As for Green, he has that limited NTC. It's improbable he'd waive it unless a team picked up his 2008 option. And, I'm not even sure he'd waive it anyway.

 

Last time I looked, Vasquez hasn't pitched very well in the last 2 years. I don't understand why the Sox would even consider trading Garland. Contraras might make sense since his arm probably has more mile than Michelin from the Cuban league.

 

As for Tejada, I don't think the O's would be interested in Vasquez when he hasn't pitched very well in over 2 years.

[WindyCity]

I think the White Sox are about to try and do what I was hoping the Cubs would..... after acquiring Vazquez, they now have an extra starter that they can deal for an upgrade on offiense (read: Tejada).

 

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