Pick your Rightfielder

[rawaction]

I agree with Goony. If you got Bradley or Wilkerson for CF, you go with the other for RF or a similarly comparable player. With Pierre, you can't afford to go with an average bat in RF. I think an OF of Murton, Pierre, and Wilkerson/Bradley would be decent, but still you are looking at a strong likelihood of a of an OF OPS well under .800. That's not much of an improvement over 04, especially when you have a potentially weaker IF with no Walker or Nomar in the middle.

[nick23]

There is so much more involved than just those three stats.

What about injuries, defense, arm? What are the figures like in comparison to the year before? Is the player on the decline?

Right now, if there was a Patterson & ? for Wilkerson deal on the table, I'd be happy seeing BW in right. Then we'd still have plenty to offer for a middle infielder and the money to go and get one of the remaining FA starting pitchers or one of the high-priced arms that teams are looking to move.

 

good point. IMO, we need a decent fielding RF. Pierre has mediocre range for all his speed and Murton seems a little rough sometimes. It would be nice to have at least one gun in the OF.

Where is all of this stuff coming from about Pierre being a bad defensive player? I've always thought he was considered to be a good CF with just a weak arm. I'm not saying you guys are wrong, just asking where this information is coming from. I keep seeing people say things like he takes bad routes on balls, or he gets late jumps. You people make him sound like he's another Moises. What I'm asking is, is he really considered that bad?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Zero interest in Pitcher V.

 

None here either, but if it lands a bat like player C without unloading the farm, I'd welcome him with open arms (with the salary relief, of course).

[Schwarber Fan]

I'll go with B

[JWCUB]

I'll take Manny :D

[rawaction]

There is so much more involved than just those three stats.

What about injuries, defense, arm? What are the figures like in comparison to the year before? Is the player on the decline?

Right now, if there was a Patterson & ? for Wilkerson deal on the table, I'd be happy seeing BW in right. Then we'd still have plenty to offer for a middle infielder and the money to go and get one of the remaining FA starting pitchers or one of the high-priced arms that teams are looking to move.

 

good point. IMO, we need a decent fielding RF. Pierre has mediocre range for all his speed and Murton seems a little rough sometimes. It would be nice to have at least one gun in the OF.

Where is all of this stuff coming from about Pierre being a bad defensive player? I've always thought he was considered to be a good CF with just a weak arm. I'm not saying you guys are wrong, just asking where this information is coming from. I keep seeing people say things like he takes bad routes on balls, or he gets late jumps. You people make him sound like he's another Moises. What I'm asking is, is he really considered that bad?

 

I don't think he's bad, but compared to the rest of CFs in the MLB, he's clearly in the bottom 1/3.

[JeffH]

If you can't get a dominant RF, the right thing to do is get three new OF and move Murton to a platoon/4th OF role. The guy's going to be 24 all season long; it won't hurt him to not play every single day this season.

 

The Cubs need to get deep enough in the OF so that Mabry (or Bigbie) doesn't get 400+ PA.

 

Green is very good against RHP, but he's weak against LHP.

 

I wouldn't mind playing him with Murton in LF and getting Bradley or Wilkerson to play RF.

 

Green is extremely durable, but he'd probably benefit from some more time off as he moves into his mid-30s.

[MikeG]

I'll take Player B.

[frostwyrm]

No Gary Sheffield?

[goonys evil twin]

If you can't get a dominant RF, the right thing to do is get three new OF and move Murton to a platoon/4th OF role. The guy's going to be 24 all season long; it won't hurt him to not play every single day this season.

 

The Cubs need to get deep enough in the OF so that Mabry (or Bigbie) doesn't get 400+ PA.

 

Green is very good against RHP, but he's weak against LHP.

 

I wouldn't mind playing him with Murton in LF and getting Bradley or Wilkerson to play RF.

 

Green is extremely durable, but he'd probably benefit from some more time off as he moves into his mid-30s.

 

I kind of agree with this. I would maybe try to get a RH and LH OF, and then platoon the two of them with Murton. I like Murton, and I'm happy with him starting, as I am with Cedeno. But when you go with such unguaranteed production as those two, you have to get guaranteed production elsewhere. Now that Pierre is in CF, that position won't make up for any setback from the kids. Knowing that Pierre is a likely fill-in for Cedeno, or even the starting 2B, the Cubs don't have room to screw around in the OF, they need production. I'd go big, or go after platoon guys who can handle either RH or LH pitchers.

[Balsa]

I'd take player C, providing that the has only one or two years left on his contract. His career AVG/OBP/SLG are the best out of them, and only a close second to player B last year.

 

Plus, he's left handed, and we could use another left-handed bat in the lineup.

[YearofDaCubs]

Say NO to Shawn Green. I think you guys have a point. Now that we have Pierre I would not be opposed to upgrading both OF spots with proven power.

[Diffusion]

Barry Zito, Sergio Mitre and Landon Powell/Kurt Suzuki to Philly

Jerome Williams, Ryan Madson and Ricky Nolasco to A's

Bobby Abreu to Cubs

 

Please. And yes, the inclusion of Ricky Nolasco does mean that I hope the Pierre deal falls flat on its face.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Say NO to Shawn Green. I think you guys have a point. Now that we have Pierre I would not be opposed to upgrading both OF spots with proven power.

 

Interesting that you want proven power, but you also say no to a guy with 303 career HR's...

[YearofDaCubs]

Say NO to Shawn Green. I think you guys have a point. Now that we have Pierre I would not be opposed to upgrading both OF spots with proven power.

 

Interesting that you want proven power, but you also say no to a guy with 303 career HR's...

The simple fact is Shawn Green hasn't been the same player ever since he has had shoulder problems. The past two years he has been a notorious slow starter so it's not interesting at all.

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO Greens best years are behind him. I'd rather see the Cubs get a guy that is older and can still bang out 30-40 HR's or a younger guy that is a 25 HR with a high OBP.

[soapy]

If you can't get a dominant RF, the right thing to do is get three new OF and move Murton to a platoon/4th OF role. The guy's going to be 24 all season long; it won't hurt him to not play every single day this season.

 

The Cubs need to get deep enough in the OF so that Mabry (or Bigbie) doesn't get 400+ PA.

 

Green is very good against RHP, but he's weak against LHP.

 

I wouldn't mind playing him with Murton in LF and getting Bradley or Wilkerson to play RF.

 

Green is extremely durable, but he'd probably benefit from some more time off as he moves into his mid-30s.

 

I kind of agree with this. I would maybe try to get a RH and LH OF, and then platoon the two of them with Murton. I like Murton, and I'm happy with him starting, as I am with Cedeno. But when you go with such unguaranteed production as those two, you have to get guaranteed production elsewhere. Now that Pierre is in CF, that position won't make up for any setback from the kids. Knowing that Pierre is a likely fill-in for Cedeno, or even the starting 2B, the Cubs don't have room to screw around in the OF, they need production. I'd go big, or go after platoon guys who can handle either RH or LH pitchers.

 

Floyd's numbers scream platoon (though he's a little expensive for a platoon player). A Floyd/Murton platoon in LF would be cool. I don't know if they have the trade chips to get Floyd and a solid RFer, but that would be nice.

[Jehrico]

If you can't get a dominant RF, the right thing to do is get three new OF and move Murton to a platoon/4th OF role. The guy's going to be 24 all season long; it won't hurt him to not play every single day this season.

 

The Cubs need to get deep enough in the OF so that Mabry (or Bigbie) doesn't get 400+ PA.

 

Green is very good against RHP, but he's weak against LHP.

 

I wouldn't mind playing him with Murton in LF and getting Bradley or Wilkerson to play RF.

 

Green is extremely durable, but he'd probably benefit from some more time off as he moves into his mid-30s.

 

I kind of agree with this. I would maybe try to get a RH and LH OF, and then platoon the two of them with Murton. I like Murton, and I'm happy with him starting, as I am with Cedeno. But when you go with such unguaranteed production as those two, you have to get guaranteed production elsewhere. Now that Pierre is in CF, that position won't make up for any setback from the kids. Knowing that Pierre is a likely fill-in for Cedeno, or even the starting 2B, the Cubs don't have room to screw around in the OF, they need production. I'd go big, or go after platoon guys who can handle either RH or LH pitchers.

 

Floyd's numbers scream platoon (though he's a little expensive for a platoon player). A Floyd/Murton platoon in LF would be cool. I don't know if they have the trade chips to get Floyd and a solid RFer, but that would be nice.

 

I don't want a platoon partner with Murton. With Dusty, that would lead to Murton getting maybe 150-200 ABs this year, and that is a pretty optimistic number.

[Balsa]

Say NO to Shawn Green. I think you guys have a point. Now that we have Pierre I would not be opposed to upgrading both OF spots with proven power.

 

Interesting that you want proven power, but you also say no to a guy with 303 career HR's...

The simple fact is Shawn Green hasn't been the same player ever since he has had shoulder problems. The past two years he has been a notorious slow starter so it's not interesting at all.

 

Well OK, then I wasn't aware that he had injury problems. I can tolerate an older player, but not an older player with injury problems.

 

I'd therefore have to go for A or B then, with the caveat that I don't want A for too long, and don't want him if he has past history of injury problems. Who are these dudes?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

There is so much more involved than just those three stats.

What about injuries, defense, arm? What are the figures like in comparison to the year before? Is the player on the decline?

Right now, if there was a Patterson & ? for Wilkerson deal on the table, I'd be happy seeing BW in right. Then we'd still have plenty to offer for a middle infielder and the money to go and get one of the remaining FA starting pitchers or one of the high-priced arms that teams are looking to move.

 

good point. IMO, we need a decent fielding RF. Pierre has mediocre range for all his speed and Murton seems a little rough sometimes. It would be nice to have at least one gun in the OF.

Where is all of this stuff coming from about Pierre being a bad defensive player? I've always thought he was considered to be a good CF with just a weak arm. I'm not saying you guys are wrong, just asking where this information is coming from. I keep seeing people say things like he takes bad routes on balls, or he gets late jumps. You people make him sound like he's another Moises. What I'm asking is, is he really considered that bad?

 

I don't think he's bad, but compared to the rest of CFs in the MLB, he's clearly in the bottom 1/3.

 

he really doesn't have great range for CF, if you go by his defensive stats, which is surprising b/c he is freakishly fast. that leads to the conclusion that he takes bad jumps and routes (besides subjective visual evidence, lol).

 

he's definitely not Moises Alou post knee surgery, but we're comparing him to MLB centerfielders, not OF in general, who usually get that job b/c they have solid range and speed.

[soapy]

If you can't get a dominant RF, the right thing to do is get three new OF and move Murton to a platoon/4th OF role. The guy's going to be 24 all season long; it won't hurt him to not play every single day this season.

 

The Cubs need to get deep enough in the OF so that Mabry (or Bigbie) doesn't get 400+ PA.

 

Green is very good against RHP, but he's weak against LHP.

 

I wouldn't mind playing him with Murton in LF and getting Bradley or Wilkerson to play RF.

 

Green is extremely durable, but he'd probably benefit from some more time off as he moves into his mid-30s.

 

I kind of agree with this. I would maybe try to get a RH and LH OF, and then platoon the two of them with Murton. I like Murton, and I'm happy with him starting, as I am with Cedeno. But when you go with such unguaranteed production as those two, you have to get guaranteed production elsewhere. Now that Pierre is in CF, that position won't make up for any setback from the kids. Knowing that Pierre is a likely fill-in for Cedeno, or even the starting 2B, the Cubs don't have room to screw around in the OF, they need production. I'd go big, or go after platoon guys who can handle either RH or LH pitchers.

 

Floyd's numbers scream platoon (though he's a little expensive for a platoon player). A Floyd/Murton platoon in LF would be cool. I don't know if they have the trade chips to get Floyd and a solid RFer, but that would be nice.

 

I don't want a platoon partner with Murton. With Dusty, that would lead to Murton getting maybe 150-200 ABs this year, and that is a pretty optimistic number.

 

That wouldn't bother me IF the player he was sitting in favor of was productive. The problem with last year, is that Murton sat in favor of Hollandsworth and Hairston. That's different IMO.

[JeffH]

Say NO to Shawn Green. I think you guys have a point. Now that we have Pierre I would not be opposed to upgrading both OF spots with proven power.

 

Interesting that you want proven power, but you also say no to a guy with 303 career HR's...

The simple fact is Shawn Green hasn't been the same player ever since he has had shoulder problems. The past two years he has been a notorious slow starter so it's not interesting at all.

 

Well OK, then I wasn't aware that he had injury problems. I can tolerate an older player, but not an older player with injury problems.

 

I'd therefore have to go for A or B then, with the caveat that I don't want A for too long, and don't want him if he has past history of injury problems. Who are these dudes?

 

You've chosen defensive liability Raul Ibanez (A) and certifiable nutjob Milton Bradley (B).

[Ding Dong Johnson]

IMO Greens best years are behind him. I'd rather see the Cubs get a guy that is older and can still bang out 30-40 HR's or a younger guy that is a 25 HR with a high OBP.

 

I'd take him. Not an injury risk, OPS over 800 guaranteed, above average defense. I'd be willing to be he still has 3-4 good years left.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Say NO to Shawn Green. I think you guys have a point. Now that we have Pierre I would not be opposed to upgrading both OF spots with proven power.

 

Interesting that you want proven power, but you also say no to a guy with 303 career HR's...

 

Sammy has 588 career HR. Should we bring him back?

 

I'm just trying to point out that career HR might not be the best measurement stick to use.

[jtownie]

Who is E? I think I missed that. I'm wondering if another trade is coming soon. It has been reported in a few places that Hendry made offers for two different players last night; one of which being Juan Pierre. The mystery "other" player has been said to not be a RH outfielder. Just curious as to whom they made an offer for.