Fiesta Bowl (Notre Dame vs. Ohio State)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Apparently MHuber forgot. It seems that if some people here had their way, any Pac-10 team in the top 10 would get an automatic bid while ND would be Gator-bound unless they got to the national title game. Exaggeration I know, but ND is top-6 in the BCS, fulfilling the criteria for any non-BCS conference team to get an automatic bid. They did what they had to do, and that's the end of the discussion. Oregon got shafted, yes, but bitch about 8-4 Florida State getting in, not about 9-2 ND.

 

No I didn't forget, I mrele poitned out how broken the system is and how this continues to be proven. Regardless, I don't understand how ND is ranked higher then Oregon anyhow, but that is a different rant

 

Second time Oregon has been shafted in the past few years. They should have been in Pasadena in 2002, not Nebraska.

 

Yes, FSU being in a BCS bowl game is ridiculous, but there's nothing one can do about the automatic bids. The complaints are coming because of the at-large bids, where I am not alone in thinking Oregon was a better candidate than ND.

 

I sure hope Oregon doesn't lay the egg that Cal did last year in San Diego.

[Andy]

Yes, FSU being in a BCS bowl game is ridiculous, but there's nothing one can do about the automatic bids. The complaints are coming because of the at-large bids, where I am not alone in thinking Oregon was a better candidate than ND.

To reiterate: ND was not an at-large team. They got an AUTOMATIC bid by being ranked in the top 6 of the BCS, the same way that any other non-BCS conference team has to get in (like Utah last year).

[adamb0719]

Yes, FSU being in a BCS bowl game is ridiculous, but there's nothing one can do about the automatic bids. The complaints are coming because of the at-large bids, where I am not alone in thinking Oregon was a better candidate than ND.

To reiterate: ND was not an at-large team. They got an AUTOMATIC bid by being ranked in the top 6 of the BCS, the same way that any other non-BCS conference team has to get in (like Utah last year).

 

Yes, ND was not an at-large. Nor was OSU. They were automatic bids, just as FSU, Georgia, USC, Texas, WVU, and PSU were. There were no at large bids this year. Every team that was picked, was picked because they were guarenteed a spot per the BCS. And as you said, Raisin, there is nothing one can do about the automatic bids, so why are people still complaining about Oregon not going? There were no at-larges this year, they were all automatic.

[mhuber92211]

Yes, FSU being in a BCS bowl game is ridiculous, but there's nothing one can do about the automatic bids. The complaints are coming because of the at-large bids, where I am not alone in thinking Oregon was a better candidate than ND.

To reiterate: ND was not an at-large team. They got an AUTOMATIC bid by being ranked in the top 6 of the BCS, the same way that any other non-BCS conference team has to get in (like Utah last year).

 

Yes, ND was not an at-large. Nor was OSU. They were automatic bids, just as FSU, Georgia, USC, Texas, WVU, and PSU were. There were no at large bids this year. Every team that was picked, was picked because they were guarenteed a spot per the BCS. And as you said, Raisin, there is nothing one can do about the automatic bids, so why are people still complaining about Oregon not going? There were no at-larges this year, they were all automatic.

 

How were they all automatic? Georgia & FSU won their championship games, PSU & OSU are in the same conference and WV won thier conference.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, FSU being in a BCS bowl game is ridiculous, but there's nothing one can do about the automatic bids. The complaints are coming because of the at-large bids, where I am not alone in thinking Oregon was a better candidate than ND.

To reiterate: ND was not an at-large team. They got an AUTOMATIC bid by being ranked in the top 6 of the BCS, the same way that any other non-BCS conference team has to get in (like Utah last year).

 

Yes, ND was not an at-large. Nor was OSU. They were automatic bids, just as FSU, Georgia, USC, Texas, WVU, and PSU were. There were no at large bids this year. Every team that was picked, was picked because they were guarenteed a spot per the BCS. And as you said, Raisin, there is nothing one can do about the automatic bids, so why are people still complaining about Oregon not going? There were no at-larges this year, they were all automatic.

 

How were they all automatic? Georgia & FSU won their championship games, PSU & OSU are in the same conference and WV won thier conference.

 

Ummm because winning your conference or conference title game gives you an automatic berth. As does finishing in the top 4 for BCS conference teams, or top 6 for non-BCS teams.

 

Oregon may have an argument, but I'm getting really annoyed with people stating it as fact that Oregon belongs over ND. In the game against their one common opponent ND lead with 1 second left and OU got rolled. It's not such an absurdity to put some weight in that.

[adamb0719]

Yes, FSU being in a BCS bowl game is ridiculous, but there's nothing one can do about the automatic bids. The complaints are coming because of the at-large bids, where I am not alone in thinking Oregon was a better candidate than ND.

To reiterate: ND was not an at-large team. They got an AUTOMATIC bid by being ranked in the top 6 of the BCS, the same way that any other non-BCS conference team has to get in (like Utah last year).

 

Yes, ND was not an at-large. Nor was OSU. They were automatic bids, just as FSU, Georgia, USC, Texas, WVU, and PSU were. There were no at large bids this year. Every team that was picked, was picked because they were guarenteed a spot per the BCS. And as you said, Raisin, there is nothing one can do about the automatic bids, so why are people still complaining about Oregon not going? There were no at-larges this year, they were all automatic.

 

How were they all automatic? Georgia & FSU won their championship games, PSU & OSU are in the same conference and WV won thier conference.

 

Ummm because winning your conference or conference title game gives you an automatic berth. As does finishing in the top 4 for BCS conference teams, or top 6 for non-BCS teams.

 

Oregon may have an argument, but I'm getting really annoyed with people stating it as fact that Oregon belongs over ND. In the game against their one common opponent ND lead with 1 second left and OU got rolled. It's not such an absurdity to put some weight in that.

 

Correct. ND and OSU were automatic bids because of where they placed in the BCS polls. Oregon got left out because they were in a BCS conference and did not win their conference or finish top 4. ND being in a non-BCS conference (independant) got an automatic bid because they were in the top 6. No one chose any school over another school for the BCS. They were all automatic bids.

 

Ryan, I hate sticking up for Oregon, but they also played Stanford and Washington, and fared a little better than ND did in those games. I believe between the three common opponents, Oregon beat them by about 10 points more than ND did.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wow, can't believe I forgot about those games. Yeah, ND's performance against Stanford really did hurt their argument.

[mhuber92211]

Regardless, the argument stops with the simple undeniable fact that ND has lost twice and UO has only lost once.

 

Thanks for the automatic bids answer, i didn't understand the rules of rankings in the top 4 automatically put you in. I guess that rule is there in case the #1 team loses in the final week in their conference championship game. But can someone tell mw how OSU is ranked ahead of Oregon when they have 2 losees? Seems like some favortism there too.

 

But what I can't understand is the argument that Oregon didn't get the shaft because everyone was an automatic bid. So what? It just goes to show that the auto bids now are outdated and incorrect, especially given that the team that got the shaft is from a major conference which if played in the Big 10/12/SEC/ACC would have gotten the auto bid.

[SouthSideRyan]

It just goes to show that the auto bids now are outdated and incorrect, especially given that the team that got the shaft is from a major conference which if played in the Big 10/12/SEC/ACC would have gotten the auto bid.

 

STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTCH.

 

I could see the argument that Oregon is a better team than Georgia, and there's little doubt in my mind that they're better than FSU.

 

But Penn St.?? Texas???

[Mike Aller]

Flordia State is just College Football's San Diego Padres.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Regardless, the argument stops with the simple undeniable fact that ND has lost twice and UO has only lost once.

 

Thanks for the automatic bids answer, i didn't understand the rules of rankings in the top 4 automatically put you in. I guess that rule is there in case the #1 team loses in the final week in their conference championship game. But can someone tell mw how OSU is ranked ahead of Oregon when they have 2 losees? Seems like some favortism there too.

 

But what I can't understand is the argument that Oregon didn't get the shaft because everyone was an automatic bid. So what? It just goes to show that the auto bids now are outdated and incorrect, especially given that the team that got the shaft is from a major conference which if played in the Big 10/12/SEC/ACC would have gotten the auto bid.

 

I have no problem with 2-loss OSU playing in a BCS game when their 2 losses are to Penn State and Texas. But while ND lost to USC, they also lost a Michigan State team that didn't qualify for a bowl game.

[adamb0719]

Regardless, the argument stops with the simple undeniable fact that ND has lost twice and UO has only lost once.

 

Thanks for the automatic bids answer, i didn't understand the rules of rankings in the top 4 automatically put you in. I guess that rule is there in case the #1 team loses in the final week in their conference championship game. But can someone tell mw how OSU is ranked ahead of Oregon when they have 2 losees? Seems like some favortism there too.

 

But what I can't understand is the argument that Oregon didn't get the shaft because everyone was an automatic bid. So what? It just goes to show that the auto bids now are outdated and incorrect, especially given that the team that got the shaft is from a major conference which if played in the Big 10/12/SEC/ACC would have gotten the auto bid.

 

Those darn computers, and their favoritism :wink: I think looking just at a teams win/loss record is not the best way to evaluate a team. Like I said earlier, if your reasoning were used, it would be Oregon v TCU in a bowl game. I am not going to get into this whole Oregon getting the shaft thing. It is in nearly every weeks football thread. However I don't think that a top 4 team from a BCS conference, and top 6 team from a non-BCS conference is outdated. In fact the top 6 rule is fairly new, in order to assure that teams that don't play in a major conference get a chance. And do you think Oregon would really beat, PSU, OSU, Texas, LSU, Miami, V Tech, Georgia, Michigan, USC, or countless other team from any of the conferences you mentioned. I find that a little hard to believe.

[CuseCubFan69]

Regardless, the argument stops with the simple undeniable fact that ND has lost twice and UO has only lost once.

 

Thanks for the automatic bids answer, i didn't understand the rules of rankings in the top 4 automatically put you in. I guess that rule is there in case the #1 team loses in the final week in their conference championship game. But can someone tell mw how OSU is ranked ahead of Oregon when they have 2 losees? Seems like some favortism there too.

 

But what I can't understand is the argument that Oregon didn't get the shaft because everyone was an automatic bid. So what? It just goes to show that the auto bids now are outdated and incorrect, especially given that the team that got the shaft is from a major conference which if played in the Big 10/12/SEC/ACC would have gotten the auto bid.

 

Those darn computers, and their favoritism :wink: I think looking just at a teams win/loss record is not the best way to evaluate a team. Like I said earlier, if your reasoning were used, it would be Oregon v TCU in a bowl game. I am not going to get into this whole Oregon getting the shaft thing. It is in nearly every weeks football thread. However I don't think that a top 4 team from a BCS conference, and top 6 team from a non-BCS conference is outdated. In fact the top 6 rule is fairly new, in order to assure that teams that don't play in a major conference get a chance. And do you think Oregon would really beat, PSU, OSU, Texas, LSU, Miami, V Tech, Georgia, Michigan, USC, or countless other team from any of the conferences you mentioned. I find that a little hard to believe.

 

Because of the BCS we will never know how Oregon would have done. I also think that this arguement will happen even if there is a playoff as the 5th, 9th or 17th team that isn't picked will feel left out.

[adamb0719]

Regardless, the argument stops with the simple undeniable fact that ND has lost twice and UO has only lost once.

 

Thanks for the automatic bids answer, i didn't understand the rules of rankings in the top 4 automatically put you in. I guess that rule is there in case the #1 team loses in the final week in their conference championship game. But can someone tell mw how OSU is ranked ahead of Oregon when they have 2 losees? Seems like some favortism there too.

 

But what I can't understand is the argument that Oregon didn't get the shaft because everyone was an automatic bid. So what? It just goes to show that the auto bids now are outdated and incorrect, especially given that the team that got the shaft is from a major conference which if played in the Big 10/12/SEC/ACC would have gotten the auto bid.

 

Those darn computers, and their favoritism :wink: I think looking just at a teams win/loss record is not the best way to evaluate a team. Like I said earlier, if your reasoning were used, it would be Oregon v TCU in a bowl game. I am not going to get into this whole Oregon getting the shaft thing. It is in nearly every weeks football thread. However I don't think that a top 4 team from a BCS conference, and top 6 team from a non-BCS conference is outdated. In fact the top 6 rule is fairly new, in order to assure that teams that don't play in a major conference get a chance. And do you think Oregon would really beat, PSU, OSU, Texas, LSU, Miami, V Tech, Georgia, Michigan, USC, or countless other team from any of the conferences you mentioned. I find that a little hard to believe.

 

Because of the BCS we will never know how Oregon would have done. I also think that this arguement will happen even if there is a playoff as the 5th, 9th or 17th team that isn't picked will feel left out.

 

I agree. It is part of what is great about College football. There is always a team that deserves more than they got. It will not change with a playoff. A playoff will be better, but then the arugment will just turn to what team got left out of the playoffs. I love CFB!

[Andy]

I don't know what all this Oregon talk is about, but I GUARANTEE that if Oregon was in the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/ACC instead of the Pac-10 (which, may I remind you, couldn't even fill out all their six bowl commitments this year), that they'd have at least three losses and probably more.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I don't know what all this Oregon talk is about, but I GUARANTEE that if Oregon was in the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/ACC instead of the Pac-10 (which, may I remind you, couldn't even fill out all their six bowl commitments this year), that they'd have at least three losses and probably more.

 

So would ND.

[imb]

I don't know what all this Oregon talk is about, but I GUARANTEE that if Oregon was in the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/ACC instead of the Pac-10 (which, may I remind you, couldn't even fill out all their six bowl commitments this year), that they'd have at least three losses and probably more.

 

i wont speak for the other conferences, but the big12 was weak sauce this year. It was 1.)Texas 2.)No one 3.)Everyone else

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't know what all this Oregon talk is about, but I GUARANTEE that if Oregon was in the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/ACC instead of the Pac-10 (which, may I remind you, couldn't even fill out all their six bowl commitments this year), that they'd have at least three losses and probably more.

 

So would ND.

 

Dang, that's what I was going to say... :lol:

[Coach.]

I would never bet against Charlie Weis when he has four weeks to prepare.

 

ND 34 OSU 28

[cubweiser03]

I would never bet against Charlie Weis when he has four weeks to prepare.

 

ND 34 OSU 28

 

And i might say i wouldnt bet against Jim Tressel with 4 weeks to prepare.

3-1 bowl record

2 BCS wins.

Beat Miami to ending a 34 game win streak

 

Its a toss up, both on the field and on the sideline.

[Mark_R]

BUMP.

[SouthSideRyan]

BUMP.

 

Why?

[Mark_R]

Game was today, and its interesting to see how the comments (about Oregon in leiu of ND) played out in the end.

 

Also fun to see if projections were met.

[adamb0719]

Game was today, and its interesting to see how the comments (about Oregon in leiu of ND) played out in the end.

 

Also fun to see if projections were met.

 

Oregon has done nothing to prove they deserved it more than ND. There should be no more discussion about that, as both teams fell flat in their respective games, and OSU dominated, showing they belonged. Pointless bump, IMO.