Cubs Acquire Juan Pierre

[Bote McBoteface]

http://www.heritagekonpa.com/images/Juan%20Pierre%20of%20Florida%20Marlin.jpg

 

Chop chop gents! I shan't wait to be getting that Wiggly Feel in front of the lovely ivory of Wrigley Field!

 

:lol:

 

hahaha, holy crap that looks like a Dave Chapelle skit.

[RynoRules]

Seems like a high price but Hendry was determined to find a leadoff hitter. We all can hope Pierre returns to his .370 OBP years.

 

Next target is to find a rightfielder. It seems tougher now most of the prospects Hendry wanted to deal are going to Florida. Perhaps a Patterson + Williams deal for Wilkerson can get done.

 

Aw, c'mon Mush--Fez is a total zero, and Nolasco and Pinto only look good because they pitched well while REPEATING AA. That's a big leap to get from AA success to useful major leaguer, as their failure in AAA in 2004 attests. None of these guys are anything other than marginal prospects.

 

So, good trade! When the situation is dire, you need to overpay, OK, but what's done is done. We finally have a leadoff man. You are right--if Pierre performs in 2006 as he did in either 2001, 2003, or 2004, Cub fans are going to be very VERY happy.

 

Just because a minor leaguer repeated a level (especially in the case of Nolasco) doesn't mean they're marginal in the least bit.

 

This is an extremely steep price for Pierre.

 

I am a JH supporter and am glad we got Pierre, but I agree with Rasin. I am surprised at how steep the price is for Pierre. I would expect to pay that much (and then some) as a package for Abreu, not Pierre. JH overplayed his had.

 

But lets wait and see if we get anything else back...

[RynoRules]

I really don't think we gave up anyone that will amount to a whole lot.

 

Mitre hasn't shown me anything at the major league level, and he's had plenty of chances. Nolasco and Pinto were only mediocre prospects to me right now, and they had both fallen from "top prospect" status from maybe two years ago. If they keep falling, we'd have ended up getting absolutely nothing for them.

 

And that's a fair point as well. I have been killing Jim recently for holding onto prospects too long and letting them become "stale". I don't know the exact stats, but a bunch of us "guesstimated" that only 5-8% of players who rank as Top 25 prospects in a single org. will ever make a significant impact at the ML level. You hold them too long, and their warts get exposed, and thuse they their value shrinks. Recent exhibit in this regard is Juan Cruz.

 

Point is, Sabermatrician makes a good point and so does Kess (above)...and i dunno...I am just glad Jim did something to improve the team. And at the end of the day, Kess is right that the "wait and see" approach has gone no where in the past.

 

Nevermind my post above. I give the "thumbs up", assuming we fill that gaping whole in RF.

[Bote McBoteface]

Also, I wholeheartedly agree with this trade. I've always liked Pierre, except for when I heard him do that stupid wrap about beating the Cubs. He stinks at rhyming. Also, I had a dream during the 2003 regular season that the Cubs in leading in the 9th inning of the 7th game of the World Series, and Pierre was in Center. (and he is the only player I actually remember seeing on the field. If this ever actually happens, I will have no bones about saying that "I called it."

 

 

Unfortunately, I did not see the final out recorded. So its safe to assume that Pierre dropped the final out, and whoever we were playing came back and beat us. That would be true Cubby tradition.

[FloridaCubbie]

That seems like a lot for one year. Nolasco and Piton were trade bait anyway tho.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm uncomfortable with this trade. I think Hendry paid a little too much for a player that may be a one year rental. If the Cubs do sign Pierre what do they do with Pie?

[USSoccer]

Well, we've filled a hole. I still think Nolasco and Pinto could have been used in a bigger trade, and so I hope we held onto Sergio if only to deal him somewhere else.

 

I do think Pierre will have a better 2006 than 2005. I think that the 2 biggest things to overcome for him are going to be the Wrigley grass, and the fact that the gaps in Wrigley aren't as spacious as in PPS. That will/should cause him to make an adjustment.

 

I'm also a little concerned about him become less patient under Baker.

 

However, Wrigley's OF should help minimize his defensive deficiencies, and this prevents Neifi from ever leading off. It means Pie isn't rushed, which to me means more than Pinto and Nolasco. His day splits are much better than his night splits, too.

 

I'm interested to see what the next move is. If I were Hendry, I'd be content with my middle IF and focus all energy and effort on RF.

[RynoRules]

I'm uncomfortable with this trade. I think Hendry paid a little too much for a player that may be a one year rental. If the Cubs do sign Pierre what do they do with Pie?

 

If there is a G-d? If so, they trade him and a minor league pitcher for Dunn or Abreu.

Edited December 7, 2005 by RynoRules

[USSoccer]

I'm uncomfortable with this trade. I think Hendry paid a little too much for a player that may be a one year rental. If the Cubs do sign Pierre what do they do with Pie?

 

The only way they'd sign Pierre is if Pie stalled at AAA in 2006. Pie is still really young, so they can afford to keep him down til 2008 if need be.

 

OR, maybe Pie now becomes expendable for Abreu, Manny or Dunn.

[RynoRules]

I'm uncomfortable with this trade. I think Hendry paid a little too much for a player that may be a one year rental. If the Cubs do sign Pierre what do they do with Pie?

 

The only way they'd sign Pierre is if Pie stalled at AAA in 2006. Pie is still really young, so they can afford to keep him down til 2008 if need be.

 

OR, maybe Pie now becomes expendable for Abreu, Manny or Dunn.

 

Stop stealing my already posted thunder. :wink:

[Balsa]

Who's to say we don't sign Pierre again and then move him over to RF or LF next year when Pie comes up?

[USSoccer]

Who's to say we don't sign Pierre again and then move him over to RF or LF next year when Pie comes up?

 

Because that would be really stupid. You don't put a guy with a throwing arm that rivals Jonny Damon's in RF. Pierre can't slug, can't throw. His value comes from playing CF.

[USSoccer]

It's a good thing this came down in the middle of the night. Just wait til everyone wakes up, gets to work and sees this thread. The Transactions forum is going to be flooded.

[moorecg]

Has anyone looked at his 3 year average for obp during day games?

 

.395 :shock: :shock: :D

 

Maybe Jim knew what he was doing afterall.

[CubinNY]

But depending on how you look at both sides, its really a pretty even trade all around.

How is this a fair trade for both sides?

 

Pierre's value to the Cubs can be measured in several ways, but the best way will be after the 2006 season. He brings elements of baseball to the team that it has been lacking since 2003 and that was a pretty successful year. If the blueprint is to bring back that kind of sucess then I am all for it.

 

Aside from foot speed, what does he bring to the team that Todd Walker does not?

 

I love the Cubs. I cannot stand Jim Hendry.

 

Best case scenario he performs to career norms. But then what do the

Cubs do when Pie is ready?

 

I was fearfull this would happen. I really really hope I'm worng.

[USSoccer]

But depending on how you look at both sides, its really a pretty even trade all around.

How is this a fair trade for both sides?

 

Pierre's value to the Cubs can be measured in several ways, but the best way will be after the 2006 season. He brings elements of baseball to the team that it has been lacking since 2003 and that was a pretty successful year. If the blueprint is to bring back that kind of sucess then I am all for it.

 

Aside from foot speed, what does he bring to the team that Todd Walker does not?

 

I love the Cubs. I cannot stand Jim Hendry.

 

Best case scenario he performs to career norms. But then what do the

Cubs do when Pie is ready?

 

I was fearfull this would happen. I really really hope I'm worng.

 

It's not that bad. Even if Pierre is a one year rental, Pinto and Nolasco weren't likely to crack to rotation soon, and Pierre keeps Felix in the system for another year, which IMHO is worth it on it's own. If Pie continues to improve, he's ready for 2007, then Pierre walks and we get a type A draft pick, plus a more polished Pie.

[CubinNY]

It's not that bad. Even if Pierre is a one year rental, Pinto and Nolasco weren't likely to crack to rotation soon, and Pierre keeps Felix in the system for another year, which IMHO is worth it on it's own. If Pie continues to improve, he's ready for 2007, then Pierre walks and we get a type A draft pick, plus a more polished Pie.

 

Thanks I need that. I need some rational thought to calm me down.

 

I hope they make Slappy wear his hat bill forward.

 

BTW, when do you sleep?

[Diffusion]

Does no one understand the concepts of marginal value and opportunity cost?

[soapy]

Well, it's not a great trade, but probably not a terrible one either. Is it confirmed that Mitre is part of the deal? Cubs.com only had Nolasco and Pinto. I am assuming he isn't.

 

In any case, it will be interesting to see what they do next. It appears that Kearns/Dunn are likely staying in Cinci now (I would guess). So that basically leaves Huff, Abreu, Bradley, Wilkerson and maybe Floyd as options for RF. I would have loved Bradley or Wilkerson for CF, but I'm not sure about RF if Pierre is in CF. I would take Bradley or Wilkerson if the Cubs kept Walker (which I doubt).

[Balsa]

Who's to say we don't sign Pierre again and then move him over to RF or LF next year when Pie comes up?

 

Because that would be really stupid. You don't put a guy with a throwing arm that rivals Jonny Damon's in RF. Pierre can't slug, can't throw. His value comes from playing CF.

 

Okay so put him in LF if Murton doesn't work out or we trade Murton. I could see Pierre helping to bring Pie into the lineup without batting leadoff right away.

[CubinNY]

Does no one understand the concepts of marginal value and opportunity cost?

 

I do. But don't explain it please. I am trying to make the best of this trade.

[UK1679666180]

Not the best option.

 

 

I'll leave it with this....

 

Michaels>>>>Pierre. Hendry either overvalued Pierre or undervalued Michaels. Take your pick as to why he likely went after Pierre more than Michaels.

 

Simply put, he spent just as much to get an inferior player.

[USSoccer]

It's not that bad. Even if Pierre is a one year rental, Pinto and Nolasco weren't likely to crack to rotation soon, and Pierre keeps Felix in the system for another year, which IMHO is worth it on it's own. If Pie continues to improve, he's ready for 2007, then Pierre walks and we get a type A draft pick, plus a more polished Pie.

 

Thanks I need that. I need some rational thought to calm me down.

 

I hope they make Slappy wear his hat bill forward.

 

BTW, when do you sleep?

 

We're expecting a baby, so I spend a lot of my time taking care of her. I was up to get her ready for work, and decided to check on the Pierre thing really quick.

 

Needless to say, I didn't go back to sleep. :D

[Diffusion]

Does no one understand the concepts of marginal value and opportunity cost?

 

I do. But don't explain it please. I am trying to make the best of this trade.

 

Why? It's a flat out awful trade, and you know it.

[USSoccer]

Does no one understand the concepts of marginal value and opportunity cost?

 

I do too. I'm trying to look at this in a positive way, as well. I can see some positives in it, and some negatives. I'm choosing to believe the positives.