Marlins' Willis and Cabrera available at right price?

[Blueheart05]

Oh.My.God.

 

Please lord give us Cabrara. Please?

 

 

Lee

Cabrara

ARam.

 

If they insist on Cano/Pie for Pierre who's a year away from free agency, they undoubtedly want half the team for Miggy. I don't see how a contender could afford him unless they would take loads of non plus players (like the Brewers pulled off with AZ).

 

They don't have many "non plus" players left now

 

I'm talking about our non plus players. I mean if they are willing to take all of our unproven talent (prospects).

[hawkeyecub]

take our top 10 prospects for miggy plz

 

I'd have to ask them to throw in Dontrelle for that price, too.

 

I wouldn't, it's Miguel Cabrera we're talking about here :)

 

Why not talk about willis? I have talked about this before. If willis and cabrera want to go, we have to offer an amazing package so we can get Pierre, Willis, and Cabrera. It's only the PERFECT fit. We need CF, RF and another starter. Willis, Pierre, and Cabrera bring us to the WS no doubt.

 

They aren't going to give all three to the same team, and we don't have enough of what they're looking for to land all three. Probably not even two of them.

[Blueheart05]

take our top 10 prospects for miggy plz

 

I'd have to ask them to throw in Dontrelle for that price, too.

 

I wouldn't, it's Miguel Cabrera we're talking about here :)

 

Why not talk about willis? I have talked about this before. If willis and cabrera want to go, we have to offer an amazing package so we can get Pierre, Willis, and Cabrera. It's only the PERFECT fit. We need CF, RF and another starter. Willis, Pierre, and Cabrera bring us to the WS no doubt.

 

 

I don't think we have enough to get Willis much less both of them. They can have the farm if they want but there are better systems than ours.

[A New Era]

Then Cabrera should be our primary target. I would love to see us get Willis back. I think we have enough picthing prospects to land both. I mean look at what teams were giving away for Castillo, ect. . . Not much. You give florida players like Cedeno, Hill, Pie, Pinto, Nolasco, ect. . You could get Cabrera and Willis. It's Hendry's unwillingness to do that, not our lack of talent to pull it off.

[muntjack]

Not to toot my own horn, but I did suggest a couple of weeks back that Miggy and Dontrelle could eventually become available.

 

I would pursue Cabrera over any other player in baseball. Any price that doesn't include Z or Prior, I pay it.

[JeffH]

Forget Cabrera. Trade for Willis, then send Prior to the Reds for Dunn and Lopez.

[goonys evil twin]

Didn't the Marlins sign Willis through his arbitration years and/or beyond?

 

Not according to this site.

 

If I'm Florida, and I trade Willis and Cabrera, the names I want back are names like Sizemore, Delmon Young, Felix Hernandez. I don't think they would be interested in quanity. I think they would take players comparably talented, but with less service time.

 

Quite possibly raw, or quite likely.

 

However, if they are dealing, they have to be looking for both affordability and quantity. And I'm not sure a team like Seattle has interest in dealing Felix.

 

If your goal was to erase any high priced players from your roster for a couple years (until the stadium/move is settled), but still field a full team, you would have to consider taking on quantity.

 

Let's just say the Cubs offered:

Pie, Murton, Hill, Pinto, Guzman, Harvey, Dopirak, Sing and Nolasco for Pierre, Cabrerra and Willis.

 

That takes several million off the books for 2006, many more million off the books for 2007 and beyond. In return, they get a LF who can be decent in full time duty this year. A LH pitcher who could be decent in full time duty this year, along with 2 pitchers who could be great soon and another who could probably make their rotation by mid season. Plus, they'd get a CF star they supposedly covet, a couple Florida sluggers who might make the team once their stadium/move issue is figured out and another bat who can make their team this season and replace the Conine role (without the age or multi million dollar paycheck).

 

If they do want to deal these guys, you would have to consider motive. I'm not sure those other teams would give up much more than their top guy.

 

Of course, this is all completely insane and incredibly difficult to understand in the first place.

[wilk]

You guys have to realize what "for the right price" means. There's no chance of us, or probably anyone, getting either of these guys. Cabrera will cost us about Murton+Pie+Cedeno+Hill+Pawelek... you want both of them? Throw in Pinto+Guzman+Harvey+Dopirak+Sing. They aren't going to take anyone that ADDS to the payroll and they aren't going to take anything that gives us room to make more trades.

[A New Era]

Forget Cabrera. Trade for Willis, then send Prior to the Reds for Dunn and Lopez.

 

My whole point of getting Willis is to strengthen our pitching. You don't get rid of prior after doing that. Pictching wins, and even if wood does not perform this year you have. .

 

Zambrono

Prior

Willis

Maddux

Rusch

 

And if wood DOES come big next year, WOW!!

 

 

Zambrono

Prior

Wood

Willis

Maddux.

 

OMG. If we had Cabrera in right, we can still get good guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, ect.. . for the remaining OF. Just got an average guy good for some power and .350 OBP. IMO you won't need much more than the offense we have already with THAT line-up.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Our entire Farm system and the head of a fatted pig will get this deal done!

[SAMMYWHO]

Let's break them down one at a time.

 

Cabrera

Harvey, Pie, Nolasco and Guzman

 

Dontrelle,

J. Williams, Dope, and two of Mitre, Welly, Wuertz, Novoa (2 guys who have got their feet wet in the bigs

 

Pierre

You all figure it out. I don't want him if I get Miguel and D-Train because our farm system would now be in shambles.

I honestly believe that kind of package could get both or either of them.

[sethuel1]

Our entire Farm system and the head of a fatted pig will get this deal done!

 

If you go to all of the work of fatting the whole pig, but you're only willing to give up the head, you shouldn't expect to get such a large return.

[Blueheart05]

You guys have to realize what "for the right price" means. There's no chance of us, or probably anyone, getting either of these guys. Cabrera will cost us about Murton+Pie+Cedeno+Hill+Pawelek... you want both of them? Throw in Pinto+Guzman+Harvey+Dopirak+Sing. They aren't going to take anyone that ADDS to the payroll and they aren't going to take anything that gives us room to make more trades.

 

It's true. We'd be handcuffed like the Yankees have been for years and the payroll would be very bloated. It's a cool idea but talk about putting your eggs all in one basket. We still would need another outfielder (unless Corey stayed) and would have no bargaining chips left. We'd have to hope to resign the FA. On second thought, getting them both could be a problem for years...

Edited December 6, 2005 by Blueheart05

[sethuel1]

It's a cool idea but talk about putting your eyes all in one basket.

 

:shock:

[Blueheart05]

It's a cool idea but talk about putting your eyes all in one basket.

 

:shock:

 

LOL, I fixed it thanks. :oops:

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If Hendry gets Cabrera without giving up Prior or Zambrano, I'll change my avatar.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I cannot imagine the type of package it would take to get one those guys. This just sounds like a weird rumor that isn't true.

[muntjack]

Just get Miggy.

 

Pujols Age 22: .955 OPS

 

Cabrera Age 22: .946 OPS (in an extreme pitchers park)

 

We could use another good SP, but we certainly don't need to splurge on Dontrelle.

 

Here's our chance to get a very young franchise player at a position we need in a year we can afford the prospects.

 

Manna from heaven.

[AramisRamirez]

i got a few good laughs reading this thread. yeah, its completely unrealistic to talk about the marlins trading cabrera AND willis to us. we'd need to send them our top 8 prospects, literally. it just wouldnt go down.

 

atleast with one guy we can narrow it down a little. we can talk somewhat possibilities. with cabrera i think it would take hill, cedeno, and pie. that is 3 guys who could be great. but cabrera is great, and only getting better. i would do it....

[CardsFanInChiTown]

i got a few good laughs reading this thread. yeah, its completely unrealistic to talk about the marlins trading cabrera AND willis to us. we'd need to send them our top 8 prospects, literally. it just wouldnt go down.

 

atleast with one guy we can narrow it down a little. we can talk somewhat possibilities. with cabrera i think it would take hill, cedeno, and pie. that is 3 guys who could be great. but cabrera is great, and only getting better. i would do it....

 

hill, cedeno, and pie wouldn't even be close. Considering his contract Cabrera might be the most valuable player in baseball.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

i got a few good laughs reading this thread. yeah, its completely unrealistic to talk about the marlins trading cabrera AND willis to us. we'd need to send them our top 8 prospects, literally. it just wouldnt go down.

 

atleast with one guy we can narrow it down a little. we can talk somewhat possibilities. with cabrera i think it would take hill, cedeno, and pie. that is 3 guys who could be great. but cabrera is great, and only getting better. i would do it....

 

Heck, give them the entire DJAXX team from last year and have them throw in Pierre too. I'll take him in a heartbeat if it means the other 2 will come.

[NoDak]

You guys have to realize what "for the right price" means. There's no chance of us, or probably anyone, getting either of these guys. Cabrera will cost us about Murton+Pie+Cedeno+Hill+Pawelek... you want both of them? Throw in Pinto+Guzman+Harvey+Dopirak+Sing. They aren't going to take anyone that ADDS to the payroll and they aren't going to take anything that gives us room to make more trades.

 

It's true. We'd be handcuffed like the Yankees have been for years and the payroll would be very bloated. It's a cool idea but talk about putting your eggs all in one basket. We still would need another outfielder (unless Corey stayed) and would have no bargaining chips left. We'd have to hope to resign the FA. On second thought, getting them both could be a problem for years...

 

The more I think about this the more I agree with you. I would not mind giving up some of our top prospects, but this would handcuff CHC for years to come by fleecing our WHOLE farm system. What happens if Willis' frenetic wind-up results in TJ surgery? While, yes, the thought of having Cabrera in the OF is VERY tempting and he is a known quantity, I think that any time you give up that many prospects you are asking for trouble.

 

Look at the deal that MIL pulled with Sexson to the D-backs. While most people would argue that Sexson is superior to Overbay/Spivey it allowed for MIL to spin 1 very good starter for 2 adequate starters. What it also allowed MIL to do was to save money AND spin off Spivey for a starting pitcher when Richie Weeks was ready and not be too saddled with Overbay when Fielder is ready. Also they got Counsell as a utility infielder (Baker would have used him as a starting 2B over Walker, I suppose) and Capuano (a good young pitcher). Even if Sexson had stayed healthy I don't know that he would have been worth ALL of that! MIL got three slightly above average players for one very good but soon very expensive player.

 

In short, good idea on the surface, dig deeper and you find 97-years of frustration!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

We don't seem to use our farm system all that effectively anyway. Why not get "fleeced" for a deal like this?

[Bruno7481]

Don't want to spoil everyone's fun, but this thread is crazy. Those two guys aren't going anywhere. Sure they may be available for the "right price", but who isn't?

 

They aren't going anywhere, and especially not for Pie, HIll or Cedeno. Quit touting the Cubs minor leaguers like they are sure fire HOF candidates.

 

I still have the tase of Choi, Hill and Cruz in my mouth. Those guys might turn out to be pretty good, chances are, based on past results, they won't be all that special.

 

Zambrano has ben the biggest find for this organization and he wasn't hyped to the extent as some of these past and present prospects.

[hawkeyecub]

Then Cabrera should be our primary target. I would love to see us get Willis back. I think we have enough picthing prospects to land both. I mean look at what teams were giving away for Castillo, ect. . . Not much. You give florida players like Cedeno, Hill, Pie, Pinto, Nolasco, ect. . You could get Cabrera and Willis. It's Hendry's unwillingness to do that, not our lack of talent to pull it off.

 

Give me a break, that's just ridiculous. First of all you have no idea what they would want. Secondly, the players they've traded away thus far are either very expensive or aging. Willis and Cabrera are neither.

 

Again they don't need a bunch of Pinto/Nolasco type prospects. They'll want players who can be absolute studs. They've gotten enough quantity this winter, they want top end quality. Pie is really all we have that fits that mold.