Keener98

Game hasnt even started yet and yet Lous already done something to make Saturdays list. Dont worry Im sure todays list will grow as the game goes on.

Screw you Lou freaking Piniella. For the love of Jesus Christ, why in the hell is Ronny Cedeno not playing? Seriuosly you lieing piece of trash Lou, GO TO HELL.

You can criticize Lou's handling of the team all you want. Calling him a huge douchebag is entirely inappropriate. Yeah, namecalling is wrong, I shouldn't call him a douchebag, but it's the best way I could think of summing up the way he's acted this year. Saying he's acting like a classic macho jock who refuses to be questioned and publically calls out others for not being the same macho-headed jock doesn't quite have the same ring to it. I'll agree that Lou can be a little too macho/tough guy sometimes. I just think he's a better manager than a lot of people give him credit for. Really, I think all fans wind up hating their managers eventually. Well he managed alot better last year, but hes overmanaging alot this year.

You can criticize Lou's handling of the team all you want. Calling him a huge douchebag is entirely inappropriate. Are there 7 year olds present or something? Plenty of them, it appears. OHHH SNAP!

You can criticize Lou's handling of the team all you want. Calling him a huge douchebag is entirely inappropriate. Why if you act like a douchebag you should be called out on it. Lous a douchebag, I hope that doesnt hurt his feelings.

I think the appropriate title for this thread, is "Should Lou be Fired or sent to the woodshed"?

What I find interesting is Dusty and now Lou has handled him the same. It's not a coincidence. Only Lou's a bigger douchebag, and Dusty was a bigger tactical buffoon. Geez. SSR speaks the truth. Glad Im not the only one fed up with Lous handling of this team.

Fixed. There's nothing hot about Fontenot. He was 5 for his last 5 dude

Well, he stabbed about a million Cubs fans through the heart, that might be good enough. I was pretty much expecting the Cards to score once I saw Fox was coming back out for another inning. Yup another brillian move by our hall of fame manager. Lous a joke

So if Aram is out today, what are the odds of DeRo at 3rd, Riot at SS, and Fontenot at 2nd? Id put them at about 80-20 right now. I mean Fontenot is hot and hes a lefty and hes white, gotta go with him over the RH hitting hot Cedeno.

Lou made the circumstances even more difficult than they needed to be. Marmol was already up in the pen so use him.

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity. I might agree with you on the general point about Marmol, although when I think about the specific game last night I still think I have more faith in Fox/Marmol than Marmol/Marquis. As average as Marquis is as a starter, he has proven to be really bad out of the pen during his career. As for Marshall, the question remains. Do you leave Lieber in to try to get out of the inning? Do you double-switch when Marshall comes into the game? (which isn't the best part of the batting order for it. The Cubs had just finished with the 5 spot in the order, so there really isn't anybody to double-switch unless you are willing to take Fukudome out in order for Marshall to pitch an extra inning, which I'm not). Those are the only two ways that Marshall could have avoided only pitching to 1 batter, because you had to pinch-hit for him with a runner on. That early in the game I dont think pinch hitting for him would be neccessary. It was the 7th inning with the Cubs down by a run. I don't think you can be throwing away chances to score when you're down that late in the game. I was thinking it was an inning or 2 earlier, but heres another question. Why do you bring in Wuertz as the 1st guy out of the pen, instead of our long man Lieber? You could have went with Lieber and Marshall as combo long men, and maybe saved our middle relief for later in the game like normal.

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity. I might agree with you on the general point about Marmol, although when I think about the specific game last night I still think I have more faith in Fox/Marmol than Marmol/Marquis. As average as Marquis is as a starter, he has proven to be really bad out of the pen during his career. As for Marshall, the question remains. Do you leave Lieber in to try to get out of the inning? Do you double-switch when Marshall comes into the game? (which isn't the best part of the batting order for it. The Cubs had just finished with the 5 spot in the order, so there really isn't anybody to double-switch unless you are willing to take Fukudome out in order for Marshall to pitch an extra inning, which I'm not). Those are the only two ways that Marshall could have avoided only pitching to 1 batter, because you had to pinch-hit for him with a runner on. That early in the game I dont think pinch hitting for him would be neccessary.

He hasn't been throwing strikes ever since he showed up in Mesa this year. To be honest, I'm worried he's hiding an injury. But his control problems were magnified and worse after being off 9 days. Also his total loss of the strikezone all begun as soon as the Cubs coaching staff started messing with the mechanics of 1 of the top 30 pitchers in baseball last year, hmmm coincidence?

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months. Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches? Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season? I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night. You always hear about certain pitchers needing to stay on a strict 5 day routine or it throws them off. This has been said about numerous pitchers. If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem. But he had control problems even before the 9 day layoff. HIs control problems were definatly more prevalent last night after 9 days off than they had been in his previous starts this year.

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months. Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches? Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season? I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night. You always hear about certain pitchers needing to stay on a strict 5 day routine or it throws them off. This has been said about numerous pitchers. If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity.

Lous pissed about having a short bullpen but yet in a game he brings the bullpen in in the 1st inning he lets a guy who throughout his career has been a starter, pitch to only 1 batter. Ha Lou you crack me up

Ok, Ive had it with Lou. He has made so many mistakes, and over managed so much this year its ridiculous. Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes. Secondly, in a game where we had to bring in the bullpen in the 1st inning, its absolutely ignorant to have any pitcher throw to just one batter, especially when that pitcher is a starter. Let Marshall pitch to more than just damn lefties, and maybe we could have saved our pen just a little last night. Thirdly, why in the hell did Lou let Cedeno bat, and then not let him take the field, while bringing in another 2nd baseman at the same time? Seriously, Lou let Cedeno play, and quit burning players throughout the game. And lastly, Chad Fox threw a good inning last night. However, there is no excuse for not bringing in Marmol as soon as somebody reached against Fox, none. And all of this isnt even counting leaving Soriano in to play LF against the Brewers. Ok thats it just from last nights game, but Lou the entire year has pissed me off, and made ignorant decision after ignorant decision, and Ive had it.

Color me surprised that a pitcher who has struggled with his control in the past, couldnt find the strikezone after not starting for 9 freaking days. Hey Lou maybe if you quit dicking him around and let him stay on a normal schedule like the rest of the starters, maybe he would return to being one of the top 30 pitchers in baseball like last year.

Just thought Id comment on our SS's great throw earlier, it was a thing of beauty. So Hill get sent down yet? Im really really staring to dislike Lou

Odds of Hill being removed from the rotaion by our dumbass manager? I say about 70-30

Wow, we are seriously resorting to a 37 year old Chad Fox? Wow

Who? Gallardo? Yup supposedly he has a torn ACL.

First off, my God can you get a bigger damn sig? Seriously its huge, and not needed. Secondly, Carlos Zambrano is the best pitcher in the NL Central.