I respectfully disagree. Are you going to refute anything I say or are you just disagreeing? What do you want me to say? I like you guys over here, and have been posting here for a long time. I don't see any reason to kick someone when they're down, you guys are struggling and that's painful enough. I just think it's a little far fetched to start talking post season when you've won 1 game after losing 8 straight. If you look at the original post there are 8 things listed that all have to happen for the Cubs to have a chance. It's a pretty small chance but it's still a chance. Pie in the sky optimism would be to say the Cubs are in the driver's seat or even to say "I like our chances". It's not very likely and I don't see where anyone is saying they are confident of a playoff birth. At the same time, you of all people should know that strange things happen in baseball. Your team was given up for dead last season and came back to win the WC. Heck, your team was given up for dead this season and leads the WC. Then again, you came here more or less stating that you didn't believe your team could do it last year, saying something to the effect of "Thanks for getting our hopes up" after the ill fated (for Cubs' fans) series. As virtually the only Astros fan that posts here your thoughts on that particular subject stand out. At the time I would have agreed with you that the Astros didn't have much of a chance. I don't believe the combination of things that need to happen will. I certainly hope that we're both wrong again. So what you're saying is that those 8 things are a formula not for the definite, or even for the likely, but for the unthinkable. I get it now! ...*glances at thread title* :wink: [/b]