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I agree with this. The issue with the 3/$57 was the years. I do think if they could have settled on a similar dollar amount but each year the team has an option, the Cubs would have done that. I also don’t think Jed only gave him the QO because he hoped he would decline and the Cubs would get an extra pick. I think he knew he would either take it or a deal for 2 or 3 years would be worked out before Shota had to reply. I’m not sure I like the decision Jed did make. But I do believe he didn’t just make it hoping Shota would leave.
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It is definitely salvageable. The issue is how the FO goes about salvaging it. They really have to stop waiting for the market to drop and taking whoever falls to them. There is a huge difference in the word salvageable between the Cubs signing Bichette to an 8 year deal and completing a trade for Ryan or Canrera as opposed to them signing E. Suarez and Gallen to discount contracts with numerous opt outs.
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I agree. Once they offered it, I didn’t think for one minute that he wouldn’t take the one year deal.
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That isn’t at all what Jason said. He didn’t say they will sign someone no one talked about. He said if they sign a top guy it will come together all at once. You said they aren’t going to sign any major guys. For the record I agree with you that they will not end up with any if the top guys.
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Yes, that would be an awesome way to end the off season. And, I agree it is possible. I just don’t know if Jed has the nerve to stay in on guys and complete the deal. If they can go over then he needs to make it happen. We need to hear more than “Cubs are checking in on someone”. We need to hear “in negotiations with Bichette”.
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Matt might be right, and maybe the Cubs can spend more money. But that still doesn’t mean they won’t back out when numbers end up higher than they think they should be. I mean, they didn’t get Imai. So if the plan was getting him, they didn’t. Instead they backed away. I also think the Bregman ship sailed if Boston really offered 5/$160M. They can still salvage the off season. Sit down with Bichette and get the deal done. Then package Cassie with one of Beown, Wicks or Assad and if need be add Long or Triantos and get the best controlled starting pitcher they can get. Or, if money isn’t an issue sign Valdez instead . I have a hard time believing any of that will happen.
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I don’t have confidence in that. I think, if they do get a higher end bat it will be because his market cratered. Probably E. Suarez. Then maybe a Cassie for a young pitcher trade. Similar to Rizzo for Cashner long ago.
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Thanks for giving me some hope Jason. Been a frustrating off season. At least the Shota write up is positive.
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Cubs aren’t getting any of the main guys left unless they drop. They also aren’t going to give up enough to get a proven young controlled starting pitcher. Such a sucky way to run a major market team.
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I don’t think the Cubs were shocked Shota took the QO. TBH, I am shocked they offered it to him.
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I honestly think E. Suarez is going to be who they get because he drops to them. He ends up with a short opt out deal. He seems most likely to fall through the cracks. And he doesn’t come with a QO issue, so Cubs might be interested.
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Right now I am very disappointed in the Cubs FO. I don’t believe they will get anyone of substance.
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Oh, I know. And I agree with you. Cubs do have enough to do whatever they want. Both in money and prospect assets. The issue is using it.
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My out of the box prediction is the Cubs end up signing E. Suarez to a Bellinger sort of contract late in the off season when he falls to them. Maybe a 3 year deal where he can opt out after each year. He doesn’t cost a draft pick so if he leaves after one year, it isn’t a big deal. I think Jed will whiff on other deals and end up with Suarez.
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For me, it isn’t a question of “can Jed still salvage the off season” it is “will he be aggressive enough to do so”? To the first part I say yes it can be salvaged, but the question of will he do it, that answer is no. He still can sign Bjchette and trade for Gore or Ryan. There are probably a few more pitchers he can trade for as well. But he isn’t going to do it. I think, once again, he has failed to realize the market price in terms of real money for free agents and cost in the way of player assets to trade for young pitchers.
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I know you are just using Goldschmidt as an example, but I have seen him mentioned before as well. Is he even an option? The last bench spot for the Cubs has to be a utility guy, right? Or if they did sign Bichette or Bregman, Shaw would be utility. I believe they addressed a bench/semi platoon first base, right handed bat with the American guy (Tyler Austin or is it Austin Tyler?) they signed from Japan.
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WOW, see my post right after you. Very similar idea. Wish the Cubs agreed.
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Time remaining isn’t the issue. There is still a lot of time and good options. The issue is, I believe we all know they won’t do anything significant for a bat. If they wanted to, they absolutely could trade for Cabrera and sign Bichette. They would be under the LT line and have money for any deadline moves. Shaw can be utility and move to second when Nico leaves. But an, I have no faith in them doing that. So that probably means, last arm standing is signed by the Cubs for around $20M a year and then add a bat of little significance.
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Cubs need a bat, period. Not sure how you figure they don’t need an outfielder and replacing Shaw is a bigger upgrade. Who are you rating over Shaw, Cassie? Or do you have Seiya in right and Ballesteros as DH? I do see value in Bichette and Bregman because if the Cubs are being very specific on a bat, I would think a right handed bat would be better. But even then that bat wouldn’t replace Shaw, it would just take AB away from Shaw, Cassie and/or Ballesteros.
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If only this guide meant anything I would absolutely love Lopez and Buxton for Cassie and Little. But we know that isn’t close regardless of what BTV says. Even an overpay of Cassie, any pitcher listed here and Triantos or Long isn’t getting Lopez and Buxton. If the Cubs could do that and still be about $5M to $7M under the LT, I would love that sort of move. But think the Twins would get better offers if they moved both those guys.
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Why not Ranger Suarez, if we are going by projections?
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Cassie OR Alcantara plus maybe Brown, Wicks or Assad. Not both.
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I ageee. And they should be in that list. But not only if their market craters. They should be on the list to win a bid. Unfortunately the Cubs havent won a bid in the high end market since the Theo was here.
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I don’t agree that it is that simple a fact that stars win championships. Not in baseball. Nationals won a WS AFTER their “star” left the team. The Cubs had a star last year in Tucker but lost the division to the Brewers. Who is their star? Sure, the Dodgers have won the last several years but teams have gone far without superstars. Of all the major sports, baseball is the one where you don’t need superstar on the team to win. Or, another way to put it is “a superstar on a team doesn’t mean they will win”. How long was Trout the best player in baseball and not in the playoffs. The only superstars that won last year were house on the Dodgers. There are many superstars that did not win. While you might never have said they don’t want to win, you have repeatedly said they don’t try to win. And I disagree. They do try. I don’t necessarily like the way they go about it anymore than you do. But just because they don’t do it like you think they should doesn’t mean they aren’t trying. Honestly we aren’t that far apart on our views. As a fan I hate the way they go about building a team. I get just as frustrated as you do when they don’t spend to get the big guy. But I stop short of saying they don’t try to win. They do, but in their terms. And I also don’t like their terms.
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Jon Heyman: Cubs one of teams interested in Bo Bichette.
Rcal10 replied to Jason Ross's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
What you are saying is true. But it really doesn’t matter. The basic point is it has been a long time since the Cubs actually targeted a guy and got him by bidding more than other teams. Whether we use Lester or Heyward or Darvish, it doesn’t matter. It has been in a long while and that is not acceptable for a major market team.
