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I blame Patterson. CPatt was making stupid swings at some really bad pitches, and looked worse than most rookies. Doesn't matter if you're batting 1st or 7th. I can't blame the coaching staff for his stubborn attitude. If Pie is trying to learn patience at the plate at age 21 in Iowa, what does that say about Corey's willingness to learn? That stubbornness has sure shown this season with what Corey has done with Lee Elia. Oh wait... EDIT: Jon, I let you get that one first since it's your birthday.

Marmol and Marshall are not unknowns (just look up some of mine and other folks' posts the past two years). Guzman was not ready the first time he was promoted, he was still rusty and recovering from not pitching much for 2.5 years. That wasn't overcoaching, that was promoting a pitcher who hadn't shown he was ready. Hill certainly has struggled, especially with his control in the big leagues. I'm not sure if that has to do with coaching. None of them should be untouchable.

Not true of those folks who actually followed the minors. Mind you, outside of Guzman (and maybe Hill), most of the guys on your list have been rated below Marshall and Marmol in the last year and a half. I think only Hill, Guzman and Marmol have received any fanfare too.

Thanks, Serena!

No problem. And don't worry, I'm not gonna steal your job. :^o

Sorry, Roast.

I really don't see the Milton-Ethan comparison, Uber.

The rest of Fred's stats look better without the quote tags: Marmol's major league pitching line to date...... Marmol IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 06/04 vs. St. L 2.0 1 0 0 0 3 0 28 0.00 13.50 0.00 0.50 0.00 06/06 vs. Houst 2.0 2 0 0 0 3 0 41 0.00 13.50 0.00 1.00 0.00 season totals 4.0 3 0 0 0 6 0 69 0.00 13.50 0.00 0.75 0.00 CUBS' bullpen usage for the last week...... Sat Fri Thu Wed Tue Mon Sun Totals 10 Jun 09 Jun 08 Jun 07 Jun 06 Jun 05 Jun 04 Jun at Cincy at Cincy at Cincy at Houst at Houst at Houst at St. L pitcher IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit Dempster 1.0 17 1.0 35 2.0 52 Eyre 1.0 26 0.3 3 1.0 13 2.3 42 Howry 0.3 11 1.7 23 0.7 9 1.0 33 3.7 76 Ohman 2.0 26 0.3 2 1.0 9 0.3 6 3.7 43 Williamson Novoa 1.3 41 1.3 41 Aardsma 0.3 10 0.7 7 0.7 18 1.7 35 Marmol 2.0 41 2.0 28 4.0 69 Totals 1.3 28 3.7 84 4.3 86 1.0 10 4.3 89 1.0 9 3.0 52 18.7 358 CUBS' season series vs. Cincinnati ....... Gm# Date Opponent Score Starter 1 Mon 04/03 @ Cincinnati 16- 7 Zambrano 2 Wed 04/05 @ Cincinnati 6- 8 Rusch 6 Tue 04/11 Cincinnati 2- 9 Rusch 7 Wed 04/12 Cincinnati 4- 1 Maddux 8 Thu 04/13 Cincinnati 3- 8 Zambrano 50 Mon 05/29 Cincinnati 7- 3 Wood 51 Tue 05/30 Cincinnati N 8- 3 Maddux 52 Wed 05/31 Cincinnati N 2- 3 Zambrano 59 Thu 06/08 @ Cincinnati N 1- 7 Rusch 60 Fri 06/09 @ Cincinnati N 6- 5 Maddux 61 Sat 06/10 @ Cincinnati 4- 2 Zambrano 62 Sun 06/11 @ Cincinnati - Marmol 148 Fri 09/15 Cincinnati - 149 Sat 09/16 Cincinnati - 150 Sun 09/17 Cincinnati - 154 Fri 09/22 @ Cincinnati N - 155 Sat 09/23 @ Cincinnati - 156 Sun 09/24 @ Cincinnati - 157 Mon 09/25 @ Cincinnati - CUBS hitters vs. Cincinnati this year..... vs. Cincy AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Mabry 4 1 2 0 0 1 5 2 0 0 0.500 0.500 1.250 1.750 Lee 13 4 4 3 0 1 10 5 8 2 0.308 0.545 0.769 1.315 Murton 39 7 14 2 0 3 25 6 2 1 0.359 0.405 0.641 1.046 Walker 36 10 14 3 0 1 20 8 4 2 0.389 0.450 0.556 1.006 Blanco 10 2 4 1 0 0 5 4 1 2 0.400 0.455 0.500 0.955 Womack 18 2 6 1 0 1 10 1 0 2 0.333 0.333 0.556 0.889 Barrett 31 4 8 2 0 2 16 10 3 4 0.258 0.314 0.516 0.830 Nevin 5 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0.400 0.400 0.400 0.800 Ramirez 35 3 9 4 0 1 16 5 3 4 0.257 0.333 0.457 0.790 Hairston 13 2 4 1 0 0 5 0 0 3 0.308 0.308 0.385 0.692 Pagan 13 2 4 1 0 0 5 1 0 2 0.308 0.308 0.385 0.692 Pierre 48 9 12 3 2 0 19 2 1 4 0.250 0.265 0.396 0.661 Cedeno 34 5 10 1 0 0 11 0 1 8 0.294 0.314 0.324 0.638 Jones 31 5 5 1 0 2 12 7 0 7 0.161 0.156 0.387 0.543 Perez 20 2 3 0 0 0 3 2 0 5 0.150 0.150 0.150 0.300 Bynum 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 0.000 0.091 0.000 0.091 totals vs. Cincy 379 59 106 25 2 12 171 54 25 58 0.280 0.325 0.451 0.776 season totals 2068 241 528 85 16 46 783 223 153 312 0.255 0.310 0.379 0.688 CUBS pitchers vs. Cincinnati this year...... vs. Cincy IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Wuertz 2.0 0 0 0 1 2 0 28 4.50 9.00 0.00 0.50 0.00 Aardsma 2.0 0 0 0 2 2 0 36 9.00 9.00 0.00 1.00 0.00 Wood 6.0 5 2 1 1 4 0 85 1.50 6.00 0.00 1.00 1.50 Howry 6.0 6 1 1 2 6 1 102 3.00 9.00 1.50 1.33 1.50 Dempster 6.3 5 2 2 5 7 0 123 7.11 9.95 0.00 1.58 2.84 Maddux 17.0 14 6 6 2 10 2 216 1.06 5.29 1.06 0.94 3.18 Williamson 2.3 2 2 1 3 3 0 55 11.57 11.57 0.00 2.14 3.86 Zambrano 24.3 19 13 12 17 23 6 435 6.29 8.51 2.22 1.48 4.44 Eyre 7.0 8 5 4 6 6 1 136 7.71 7.71 1.29 2.00 5.14 Willliams 3.0 3 3 2 4 1 1 63 12.00 3.00 3.00 2.33 6.00 Novoa 2.7 2 2 2 5 1 0 71 16.88 3.38 0.00 2.63 6.75 Rusch 12.7 18 13 13 4 11 9 260 2.84 7.82 6.39 1.74 9.24 Ohman 5.7 6 7 7 2 7 2 82 3.18 11.12 3.18 1.41 11.12 totals vs. Cincy 97.0 88 56 51 54 83 22 1692 5.01 7.70 2.04 1.46 4.73 season totals 538.7 496 300 278 268 457 76 9143 4.48 7.64 1.27 1.42 4.64 CUBS' hitters during the last 10 games...... 05/31 - 06/10 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Blanco 5 1 3 2 0 0 5 3 1 0 0.600 0.667 1.000 1.667 Mabry 8 0 4 1 0 0 5 1 1 1 0.500 0.556 0.625 1.181 Barrett 34 5 13 1 0 2 20 5 7 6 0.382 0.488 0.588 1.076 Jones 37 5 12 1 0 3 22 6 2 8 0.324 0.359 0.595 0.954 Ramirez 42 3 11 4 0 1 18 9 3 4 0.262 0.326 0.429 0.755 Nevin 16 2 4 0 0 1 7 2 1 2 0.250 0.294 0.438 0.732 Womack 24 2 6 0 0 1 9 1 2 3 0.250 0.308 0.375 0.683 Cedeno 36 4 10 0 1 0 12 2 1 6 0.278 0.297 0.333 0.631 Murton 32 3 9 1 0 0 10 0 1 5 0.281 0.303 0.313 0.616 Pierre 43 5 10 2 0 0 12 1 3 2 0.233 0.313 0.279 0.592 Walker 37 5 7 0 0 0 7 3 5 1 0.189 0.286 0.189 0.475 Bynum 12 2 2 0 0 0 2 0 1 3 0.167 0.231 0.167 0.397 Perez 16 3 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0.125 0.125 0.125 0.250 10 game totals 365 41 97 13 1 9 139 38 29 52 0.266 0.325 0.381 0.706 season totals 2068 241 528 85 16 46 783 223 153 312 0.255 0.310 0.379 0.688 CUBS' pitchers during the last 10 games...... 05/31 - 06/10 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Ohman 4.7 2 0 0 0 4 0 43 0.00 7.71 0.00 0.43 0.00 Marmol 4.0 3 0 0 0 6 0 69 0.00 13.50 0.00 0.75 0.00 Zambrano 21.7 9 3 3 11 18 2 353 4.57 7.48 0.83 0.92 1.25 Howry 5.7 6 1 1 4 8 0 128 6.35 12.71 0.00 1.76 1.59 Marshall 13.3 12 3 3 4 9 1 179 2.70 6.08 0.68 1.20 2.03 Wood 3.7 7 4 1 2 0 1 75 4.91 0.00 2.45 2.45 2.45 Novoa 5.0 3 2 2 5 1 0 89 9.00 1.80 0.00 1.60 3.60 Dempster 4.3 5 2 2 3 2 0 82 6.23 4.15 0.00 1.85 4.15 Aardsma 3.7 5 3 2 1 1 0 69 2.45 2.45 0.00 1.64 4.91 Eyre 5.0 9 3 3 3 5 0 104 5.40 9.00 0.00 2.40 5.40 Maddux 10.3 13 8 8 2 2 2 142 1.74 1.74 1.74 1.45 6.97 Rusch 8.7 11 8 8 3 10 3 168 3.12 10.38 3.12 1.62 8.31 Williamson 1.0 4 3 3 1 2 0 25 9.00 18.00 0.00 5.00 27.00 10 game totals 91.0 89 40 36 39 68 9 1526 3.86 6.73 0.89 1.41 3.56 season totals 538.7 496 300 278 268 457 76 9143 4.48 7.64 1.27 1.42 4.64 Percentage of baserunners driven in 04/03 - 06/10 BDI LOB RBI% Restovich 1 2 0.333 Walker 26 59 0.306 Lee 7 17 0.292 Barrett 21 67 0.239 Blanco 6 21 0.222 Jones 21 74 0.221 Ramirez 24 89 0.212 Perez 11 41 0.212 Murton 16 76 0.174 Nevin 1 5 0.167 Cedeno 15 80 0.158 Bynum 4 24 0.143 Hairston 4 27 0.129 Pagan 1 8 0.111 Mabry 3 29 0.094 Womack 1 10 0.091 Pierre 5 65 0.071 Theriot 0 2 0.000 CUBS 177 750 0.191 Go CUBS !!

So you don't want to fleece, say, the Diamondbacks in a trade? Just the Sox and the Cards? You come off as a Sox-hater first, Cubs fan second.

A lot of Twins fans take exception to the fact that they took Mauer as a way of saving money or gauranteeing signability. I got lambaster by a barage of Twins fans on Twins.com(this was before I realized there were good baseball websites outside of the MLB ones) for bringing that up. They argued that they wanted Mauer from the get go and that Twins management would have been chastised for passing on Mauer, local kid. I thought I would throw this in here because it came quickly to mind when I read your post. One Twin fan in particular has made a point to yap at me constantly about how Prior refused to pitch for the Twins...despite having no evidence whatsoever to back it up beyond hearsay. He's the only Twin fan I know who's said this, despite knowing a number of guys who have never heard anything about it. He's been quite thrilled about Prior's injury problems. He's also a Jock Jones fan. I'll just leave it at that. I think I know who you're talking about.

Don't forget Wells at AA. Iowa leads it 2-1 going to the 7th - Hill has given up 1 in 6 with 9 Ks to 2 BBs. This will be a 7 inning game.

I'd be a week off if that happened - I thought Gallagher would be like Marmol and Marshall last year and get promoted after the FSL All-Star game. Hill with his 4th K through 2.1 innings, Iowa leads it 2-0. The Iowa broadcast crew are talking about the country of Bhutan. Don't ask me why.

Please don't. Outshined would prefer if you rub it in. :P

It's a DON DAY!! My bad. I looked at the wrong page on peoriachiefs.com. Was wondering why Yepez didn't match up with my own notes (which had Veal).

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning. It's different in Chicago. Cubs fans have 2 enemies: The Cardinals and White Sox. You may not have to deal w/ the White Sox crap out in CA, but I don't want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans. Yeah, it's not like I don't have cousins who are White Sox fans who were rather harsh last October (and ever since). So you'd rather have something to get the better of Sox fans than complete a trade that would improve the Cubs?

Wow!

Probable Starters: Iowa: LHP Rich Hill (2-1, 2.42 ERA, 44.2 IP, 61/9, 0.90 WHIP) vs. RHP Chris Baker (6-2, 2.10 ERA) West Tenn: LHP Chris Shaver (2-4, 2.89 ERA, 56 IP, 51/24, 1.36 WHIP) vs. LHP Corwin Malone (5-4, 4.08 ERA) Daytona: RHP Sean Gallagher (4-0, 2.49 ERA, 72.1 IP, 74/18, 1.23 WHIP) @ RHP Michael Devaney (5-3, 2.18 ERA) Peoria: LHP Jesus Yepez (1-2, 3.75 ERA, 48 IP, 27/29, 1.52 WHIP) vs. RHP Michael Penn (4-2, 2.91 ERA)

Stolen and updated from Windy City: 2006 Fecal League Standings (as of 6/9/06) Team W L PCT GB ============= == == ==== === Chicago Cubs 24 36 .400 - Tampa Bay 24 37 .393 0.5 Pittsburgh 23 39 .371 2.0 Florida 21 37 .362 2.0 Kansas City 16 43 .271 7.5 The DRays have now have fallen behind the Cubs too.

Ugh, 6 am on a Saturday.

Win ballgames and you'll win the PR part. Don't forgo a good trade because you aren't fleecing the other team and you have a better chance of winning.

You make a very valid point. Might as well clean house all the way to the top (and come back with Cuban). Ok, you win. That's freaking awesome.

You're my hero.

Mulder just knows how to win. Athletes aren't robots. Some have the ability to rise to the occasion when it counts the most and some often crumble in the same situations. But Mulder hasn't. And you're still ignoring the principle argument that Jocketty got fleeced. Actually, srb started out by saying Jocketty doesn't trade key prospects or players.

That's what I thought right after finding out the thread wasn't about Philip. Then Carlton can drop by for the seventh inning stretch. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/Navinda/thcarltondance1.gif