CaliforniaRaisin

Why would they do it now when he has posted a .322/.389/.452/.841 line so far this season? It was posted he was hitting .207? That's just since his promotion to Iowa. I think the .322 figure is for the entire season, West Tenn and Iowa combined. Correct, that line is between AA and AAA. He's had 141 ABs at AA and so far 58 ABs at AAA.

I don't care if a pitcher has a 1.75 WHIP and is 0-7 in 7 starts. If he has a 2.34 ERA, he's getting the job done. Does that mean ERA is the only way to judge a pitcher? I would say ERA has the same value as OPS does to hitters. You can look at the other stats if you want, but in the end, ERA and OPS are what you go by in judging how good a pitcher or hitter is. Haren as an A: 3.74 ERA Mulder as a Card: 4.08 ERA Haren in the playoffs: 2.16 ERA Mulder in the playoffs: 2.34 ERA

I don't care if a pitcher has a 1.75 WHIP and is 0-7 in 7 starts. If he has a 2.34 ERA, he's getting the job done. Does that mean ERA is the only way to judge a pitcher?

Wins and losses don't mean anything. It's about ERA. In that case, Haren has a lower postseason ERA than Mulder. And yes, Haren has pitched in fewer postseason innings than Mulder, but Mulder's 42.1 postseason innings isn't exactly a lot to work with anyways. Haren has 8 relief innings in one postseason. Mulder has 7 starts over 3 postseasons spread out over 5 seasons. Every playoff year he has had an ERA under 2.50. That's a big game pitcher. Well, that wasn't your original point. Or second point. And 42.1 innings of playoff game vs. how average he's been in nearly 300 innings since being traded to the Cards (while Haren has been better during that time)?

Why would they do it now when he has posted a .322/.389/.452/.841 line so far this season?

Gooz better be starting. If not, quit yo-yoing him (and Hill and Ryu) around.

Wins and losses don't mean anything. It's about ERA. In that case, Haren has a lower postseason ERA than Mulder. And yes, Haren has pitched in fewer postseason innings than Mulder, but Mulder's 42.1 postseason innings isn't exactly a lot to work with anyways.

How many times are you going to change your stance/argument?

I beat you to that prediction. That's how the Cards deal. They don't like to give up their key prospects and players, and they don't. Daric Barton and Dan Haren for Mark Mulder? Curses, Mark. Curses. Mulder made the Cards a better team than they would have been with Haren. We'll see this year. Mulder is very streaky. Barton in the big leagues before he is anything. That's something completely different from what you said earlier - that the Cards don't like to give up their key prospects (Barton was their top prospect at the time of the trade and considered one of the 25-50 best in all of baseball) and that they don't like to give up key players: Haren with the A's: 301 IP, 3.74 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, .243 BAA, 228 Ks, 68 BBs Mulder with the Cards: 286.1 IP, 4.08 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, .260 BAA, 153 Ks, 96 BBs

I beat you to that prediction. That's how the Cards deal. They don't like to give up their key prospects and players, and they don't. Daric Barton and Dan Haren for Mark Mulder? Curses, Mark. Curses.

Atkins night is done at 6. Matt Avery has had 2 impressive innings of relief, Peoria leads it 4-1 going into the ninth.

Please take some pics and give us some scouting reports on Atkins and Veal! :D

Wow, how did the Cubs pull that one out?

Better to end our pain quickly then let this turn into a 20-inning affair and then the Cubs lose.

Because Bynum and Neifi can save the team in non-save situations.

C'mon Demp.

Dylan Johnston was ejected from the Peoria game by the home plate ump. Happened after he was called out on strikes while pinch hitting. Not to jinx him because his night might not be over, but Mitch Atkins has been something else this season (up there with Gallagher, Marmol, Mateo and Wells in terms of performance). Today: 6 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 2/2. On the season: 1.90 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, .187 BAA, 63 Ks, 24 BBs His biggest asset is supposed to be his ability to change speeds and the good location he gets on his pitches, so I wonder how that will hold up against more savy hitters as he goes up the system (a question asked about Gallagher last season).

I'm not sure. A lot will depend on the perceived value at the time of the deadline. I know we couldn't get Billingsly, but I wouldn't mind Joel Guzman or Andre Ethier. Supposedly, Billinsgely and Kemp are as close to untouchable as it gets in that system. Nice to see you again, Hoops! Agreed. He's got all the talent and tools in the world, but he's not improving in the plate discipline department and that will haunt him. He has the power to hang at LF, though.

We're not worth $10? :cry:

Some mods have awful Internet connections. :(

It's far easier to handle an inside pitch with an aluminum bat compared to a wood bat. (Didn't see Tyler play today so I can't comment on anything else.)

Correction, YOU hate their guts. I'd trade with them in a heartbeat if it was a good trade. A good trade is a good trade is a good trade reguardless of who its with. (The exception to this rule being certain interdivision trades) And if the deal turns out to be a Garland for Karchner deal, with the Cubs getting the short end of the stick, do you want to deal w/ moronic Sox fans shoving it down your throat?? Uhh, I believe the Cubs get to trade with the White Sox, not their fans. The Garland-for-Karchner trade was bad from the get-go because Karchner was awful. I wouldn't want the Cubs to trade Garland for for Karchner if they were trading with a team from Siberia. The point of a trade is not to get the short end of the stick - it hurts as much to be burned by the Orioles in trades as it does to be burned by the White Sox (if you were giving up the same players fo the same players. The White Sox don't get extra points for burning a so-called rival. By the way, I don't think the Sox would do McCarthy, Fields or Broadway for Howry - and those are the guys I'd want from the Sox.

Steve Clevenger and Billy Muldowney have both reportedly signed with the Cubs and will be reporting to Mesa. Complete List of Signings: OF Tyler Colvin, Clemson - 1st rounder - $1.475 million bonus RHP Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame - 5th rounder - $250,000 bonus 3B Josh Lansford, Cal Poly SLO - 6th rounder - $155,000 bonus SS Steve Clevenger, Chipola College (FL) - 7th rounder - $130,000 bonus RHP Billy Muldowney, Pittsburgh - 8th rounder - $98,500 bonus OF Clifford Andersen, Cottonwood Senior HS - 9th rounder - $155,000 bonus RHP Jacob Renshaw, Ventura JC - 10th rounder - $60,000 bonus RHP Chris Huseby, Martin County HS - 11th rounder - $1.3 million bonus! RHP Kitt Kopach, Illinois State - 12th rounder OF Matt Camp, North Carolina State - 13th rounder OF Drew Rundle, Bend HS - 14th rounder - $500,000 bonus C Matthew Canepa, Cal Poly SLO - 15th rounder C Richard Parker, Arkansas - 16th rounder LHP Jeremy Paplebon, North Florida - 19th rounder RHP Kevin Kreier, Foothill HS - 20th rounder - $100,000 bonus LHP Taylor Parker, Missouri - 21st rounder 3B Jovan Rosa, Lake City CC (FL) - 22nd rounder - DFE: $180,000 bonus RHP Charles Platt, Lamar - 23rd rounder SS Matt Matulia, Citadel - 24th rounder RHP Michael Cooper, Cal Berkeley - 26th rounder RHP Cedric Redmond, Oaktown CC (IL) - 27th rounder - DFE RHP Brett Summers, South Suburban CC (IL) - 28th rounder - DFE RHP Jordan Latham, JC of Southern Idaho - 29th rounder - DFE: $100,000 bonus RHP Donald Walters, Richland College - 30th rounder SS Cesar Valentin, Catalina Morales de Flore HS - 32nd rounder RHP Ronald Clipp, Point Loma Nazarene U - 33rd rounder SS Nate Samson, Forest HS - 34th rounder - $155,000 bonus RHP Greibal Cuevas-Novas, LA Pierce College - 36th rounder RHP Marcus Hatley, Palomar JC (CA) - 39th rounder - DFE RHP Eli Diaz, Texarkana CC - 40th rounder SS Anthony Morel, Riverside CC (CA) - 43rd rounder - DFE OF Elliot Shea, Franklin Pierce College - 45th rounder RHP Andrew McCormick, Pikeville College - 47th rounder 3B Ryne Malone, Florida State - 49th rounder

I believe it's actually Arizona, not ASU. And the Cubs have offered him $500,000.

Should be Guzman, then Hill.