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Floor is probably the wrong word for it - maybe low end expectation.
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I see your point and agree that the system QB is a valid concern, but most of those QBs were athletes who couldn't throw the ball that well but could run the option portion of the offense and learned to throw on the fly. Mariota has been a very productive QB his entire career. He's much more of a passer than guys like Dixon, Tebow, etc. Yeah I look at Mariota as a bigger and stronger Colt McCoy. He's got a stronger arm than McCoy. I actually like the more mobile Andy Dalton comp as his floor, though I think Dalton probably has a bit stronger arm than Mariota.
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Given the way he was holding the ball and the way he landed, it's pretty much impossible for it not to have at least grazed the ground. And I'm not sure how the second photo isn't completely conclusive that the ball is on the ground. He did not show possession, though, that's the whole point. For a receiver to show clear possession, he has to complete 1 of 2 scenarios: 1) have 2 feet down and exhibit a football move (and continue holding on to the football during said football move) - this establishes you as a runner and not a receiver or 2) if he's falling when he makes the catch, he must control the ball all the way through landing on the ground If you want to argue that sticking his arm out was a football move (sketchy in that scenario), Dez did not control the ball throughout that football move and it hit the ground, so the football move becomes irrelevant. Otherwise, the ball came loose before he was fully on the ground and, thus, he didn't complete the process of the catch. Simply touching a body part on the ground is irrelevant if you haven't established yourself as a runner and he hadn't done that yet.
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Locker had terrible accuracy throughout college and never had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. He simply wasn't that good a QB, but he was a good kid and a hard worker, so a lot of people wanted him to do well and believed in him too much. Completion %: Locker: 47.3 (freshman); 58.2 (junior); 55.4 (senior) - he had less than 100 attempts his sophomore year Mariota: 68.3 (freshman); 63.5 (sophomore); 68.5 (junior) TD:INT: Locker: 14:15; 21:11; 17:9 Mariota: 42:4; 31:4; 32:6 Locker is a big armed QB who has never showed an ability to consistently complete even easy passes. Mariota doesn't have quite the arm Locker does, but he has a strong enough arm and has been amazingly accurate throughout his college career. If Mariota becomes anything close to Locker, he's regressed considerably.
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No thoughts on this??? (Trying to stop the continued discussion that has eclipsed any other discussion....) Speaking as a journalist, the media guy bragging about getting Lynch fined looks like an idiot. However, Lynch refusing to answer questions is more than a little silly - though his ways around answering anything have been rather humorous. As for the fine itself, it's not that much to ask an athlete to give media members a few quotes to pass along to fans. But any media members pursuing fines for players because they don't want to give comments is ridiculous.
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I see your point and agree that the system QB is a valid concern, but most of those QBs were athletes who couldn't throw the ball that well but could run the option portion of the offense and learned to throw on the fly. Mariota has been a very productive QB his entire career. He's much more of a passer than guys like Dixon, Tebow, etc.
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This. And I thought this well before this game. Most of his throws are to wide open receivers (that he often doesn't even hit in stride) or quick passes to receivers who get the ball in space and pick up YAC. He's just not a very good NFL QB prospect from what I've seen. To be fair I've probably only watched about 5 or 6 of his games. But I highly doubt he ever becomes a franchise quarterback. With all of this. He just misses a ton of the tough, pro-style throws IMO. I've seen him miss some, but he hits a lot of them too. Whether or not he can actually hit the pro-style throws in the NFL consistently will only be answered once he makes the pros, but there's no question that he has the arm strength to make any throw. His work ethic and the job a coaching staff does developing him will decide the rest.
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Wilson fell almost exclusively because he's 5'11 or shorter. Nobody questioned his ability, it was his height that scared people. Mariota doesn't have that negative - while I'm not sure it's accurate, he's listed at 6'4.
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Physically I can see the comparison (though Freeman is bigger than Mariota). Mariota has been far more productive, though, and profiles as a much better NFL prospect. Freeman threw 15, 11 and 8 INTs in his 3 seasons in college, Mariota has thrown 13 total in 3 years and in more attempts. Freeman also topped 60% completions once in three years, while Mariota's lowest (63.5) is higher than Freeman's best (63.3). Freeman was at 51.9% his freshman year - that's abysmal. I realize there are system differences and whatnot, but the numbers are so strikingly different it's impossible to just overlook them and try to compare the two as passers, in my opinion.
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I still say if he drops out of the top 10, somebody is getting a steal. I don't think they will, but I want the Titans grabbing him at 2 if he doesn't go to Tampa.
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He's been hired as the new OC, not HC. He was extremely loved by players at Tennessee and was able to get the players who had quit on Dooley to play for him in the final game of the year. I think he was a bad fit philosophically as Bielema's OC. That was probably the issue there.
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I figured when the rumors first started yesterday that Elway was going to go after Kubiak. Unless he can convince Kubiak to change his mind, though, I have no idea where they're going to look. Maybe Shanahan?
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Yes, he did have control of it. And because of that control, the play is dead when the ball touches. A player is either a receiver (in the process of catching the ball) or a runner (has shown possession of the ball). The rules are different for receivers and runners - a receiver has not yet shown possession of the ball, so if it touches the ground and comes loose, it's incomplete. Because a runner has shown possession of the ball already, when the ball hits, it's dead.
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Contact is irrelevant because Dez never showed possession of the ball. If you don't possess the ball, you can't be touched down. I thought he had possession of the ball until the ball was dislodged by the ground. That's pretty debatable. It looked to me like he was getting control of the ball as he stumbled and then lost it when he hit the ground - meaning he never truly had possession.
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If Dez were falling as he caught the ball, I'd agree with you. But he was jumping and had the opportunity to land on his feet when he caught the ball. As it happened, it would have sufficed if he just went to the ground without a football move and held onto the ball. However, since he lost control of the ball, a football move was required prior to that to show he had possession prior to the ball coming loose. Even if you want to say reaching for the end zone was a football move, then he lost possession of the ball during that football move - meaning he didn't have complete control of it.
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made contact, thigh on the ground, no actual visual proof of the ball touching even a BLADE of grass (that I've seen yet) Dallas got hosed. I've seen a couple of angles on NFL Network that showed the ball hitting the ground pretty clearly. One was from the end zone and the other was from the near sideline.
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A football move does matter - Dean Blandino said it himself last night. Dez just didn't show a football move - he simply went with his momentum and lost the ball when he hit the ground.
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Contact is irrelevant because Dez never showed possession of the ball. If you don't possess the ball, you can't be touched down.
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It couldn't have been a fumble because he was touched and the ball would've been dead. Had he shown complete possession of the ball, he's down inside the 1.
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The problem is that the "football move" was simply Dez's momentum carrying him to the ground while he was trying to possess the ball. There needed to be something clear and distinctive that showed he had control and, if anything, sticking his arm out and then losing the ball just showed that he didn't have complete control of it.
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The ground can't cause a fumble, but it can cause an incompletion. Bryant never had full possession of the ball and it coming out when it did just emphasizes that point.
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John Fox is officially gone from Denver. Rapaport saying it's mutual and that Fox initiated it.
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No idea why they think that - as a fan of a rival team (Titans) who has watched Houston at a minimum of 2 times every year and typically more, I've always thought very highly of his coaching ability. I was a bit surprised when they fired him and think he's probably the best coaching candidate out there this offseason (Kubiak and Bowles at the top for me, even before any hirings took place). -
I'm with gooney on this one. I leaned catch when I saw it live, but Dez only had any real grip on the ball for a split second and clearly wasn't gripping it firmly if it bounced completely out of his hand when he hit the ground (which it did). There was also no football move, as just stretching out your arm doesn't/shouldn't cut it. If there's no "football move" and the ball jostles loose upon hitting the ground, I don't see where the debate is. The Megatron "catch" was much, much closer than this one to an actual catch. This was a great effort and I feel bad for Dez because of how close it was, but the replay showed it was pretty clearly not a catch and I have no problem with it.
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That just seems like a bad idea. They're showing improvement, why do something like this now?