The Phillies are where we were at after 2009. Gigantic payroll, lots of bad contracts, declining veterans, shitty ass farm system, and a GM who tried to live in the moment and wasn't prepared when the bottom fell out. Of course the Phillies got to make the playoffs 5 straight years, appear in 2 World Series and win 1 while the Cubs failed to win a playoff game, so [expletive] them. Anyways, its going to take several years of rebuilding for them to have a contending team again IMO.