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Stones: Honky Tonk Women Gimme Shelter Jumpin Jack Flash Street Fightin Man Sympathy for the Devil Beatles: Oh! Darling Ballad of John and Yoko A Day in the Life I saw her Standing There Revolution That Beatles list was tough, had to narrow it down from about 20 songs that I absolutely love.

You've listed 4 pitchers out of probably about 40 guys that pitched in the WBC. I have no clue how they're doing, they may all be terrible too. But 4 pitchers' stat lines is proving nothing. Clarifying, 40 was an estime on the # of MLB pitchers from the WBC, not the total. There were far more than 40 pitchers in the WBC. Throwing 140 pitches is repeating a stressful activity over and over again. There is a small sample of 140+ outings to go off of, but from what I've seen the negatives that come from it are far greater than 10%. I don't think there's any evidence right now other than some circumstantial evidence that some guys who happened to pitch in the WBC had rough starts. You mentioned significant innings earlier. Brad Lidge pitched 2 innings. Johan Santana pitched 8.1 Zambrano threw 6.2 Garcia threw 7.1 Is this really considered significant? And I think calling it high risk is pretty out there based solely on the slow starts of some good pitchers. Good pitchers have slow starts every year. There's not always a reason for it, other than just having a slow start. I never said it's not possible that the WBC is bad for pitchers, but I don't think a month's worth of stats is the compelling evidence to convince me. I don't understand the timing complaint as pitchers were pretty much on schedule with where they would be in spring training. There's an emotional tug if you're in a pennant race too, but I don't think there's been any evidence that pitchers who are in tight races perform poorly in the postseason. I don't see how emotions being involved is going to wind up making you a poor pitcher the first month of a season. The only effect I can think of involving emotions would be a pitcher overthrowing in the WBC games, which would just lead to poor WBC #s, not MLB #s.

Pierre's value to this team is tied solely to his speed. If you want him from first to second, he should be stealing. Moving him to third with a bunt isn't to get him on hits, it's to get him in on fly balls and grounders.

Nobody seems to give Brenly a fair shot since they loved Stone so much. I liked Stone a lot, but I think Brenly's gotten downright good this season after being averageish last year. I also think a slider low and away should finish this hitter off.

Well, I like it more than bunting with Pierre on 1st. But no, I do not like it.

Cause I don't think there's any team in baseball that he'd go to and be a starter for the full season.

What's the rest of the NL going to do?

I liked Chip a lot more than most, and he did seem to show more enthusiasm for the team than Len, but Len > Chip.

You've listed 4 pitchers out of probably about 40 guys that pitched in the WBC. I have no clue how they're doing, they may all be terrible too. But 4 pitchers' stat lines is proving nothing.

I went over this on here 3-4 months ago, this simply isn't true. With off days, each starter winds up seeing each other spot in the rotation about the same amount.

Because we'd be getting ripped off? Horribly?

I should note that I think Clark is goign to cost more than Wuertz. He's dirt cheap and had a GREAT year last year.

Wuertz is not a particularly young guy, he's 27 this year. He was converted from a starter just recently, but I don't see anything in his admittedly small sample to show me he's much better than average. He's walked nearly 5 guys per 9 innings in the majors, and a guy who gets in trouble with walks is really the last thing I want in our present pen. In the current pen, he seems to fit in nowhere better than a long man. By next year you're looking at a 28 year old who still fits in no better than a middle reliever with lots of prospects hanging around who would be great to break in as middle relievers in the pen. There are 2 righties ahead of him on the depth chart for the next 3 years, and righties everyhwere in the system this year, and over the next 2 that could replace him with little drop off. He defines spare part to me.

Apparently Edmonds only has problems with cold showers, not cold locker rooms.

Tim McClellan and... Tim McClellan.

We use Yahoo, and just keep track of our own minor leaguers through the commissioner's note. Prospects can be called up and sent back to and from the reserve roster as long they haven't eclipsed 150 ABs or 50 IP. (A guy can stay on a reserve roster once he passes those marks, but once he's off of it, he can't go back.) Obviously, you need an offline draft for this, as prospects were available at any time including during the big league draft.

Just a dumb trade, not a collusive trade.

It would be hard to replace Wuertz's stuff, but Clark of 03-04 would be pretty damn replacable. I really don't like our odds of coming out ahead on a trade like that. You value Wuertz far more than I do. I don't see him as anything more than an averageish reliever, which certainly has value on the right team, but to the Cubs he's pretty worthless.

If Clark were making some real money, I could understand the objections, but he's making peanuts. If he reverts to the Tony Clark of '02-'04 then you cut loose and eat the 1M. It's not much of a cost to give up a replacable part like Wuertz for a chance to get better than a 700 OPS for the 2 months Lee is out.

I totally agree with you. When he's on he's got absolutely electric stuff. I'll never forget the Houston game where he threw 15 straight sliders and made them all look like total fools. Williams is solid too. If we trade either, I'd rather it be for someone who has a more involved role than "stop gap for Lee and PHer when he gets back". I'd imagine that's about the max you'd get for either of them. We have a lot of pitchers who are right around their level, I don't object to dealing one to fill a glaring hole for 2 months.

Fanboy in me but, That's awesome.

I've heard numbers all over the place for # of keepers. 5's about as low as it goes with 15 being the most. This is the first year for my leauge too, we originally had it at 10, but bumped it up to 12 after looking at our rookie draft. (We had a 5 round prospect draft, and once those prospects lose rookie status, you have to use a keeper on them to keep them on your team.) The only prospect of mine that looks to do that is Jeff Mathis, and I regretted that pick pretty much right after I made it.

I'm almost positive the 2nd year of Clark's contract isn't restrictive, but have yet to turn up any info on the terms in my searching. I did find some bad news that Clark has a no trade clause for this season and is an Arizona resident. He signed the extension last year knowing that he would be a backup/mentor for Jackson, so it might be tough to get him to waive it.

They wouldn't come for nothing but prospects. They would require major league talent who is cheap. I'm not even sure the Cubs could make the trade with them unless they did something like ship Zambrano along with 20M + prospects. Thats what they got for Beckett and Pierre. And Willis and Cabrera are worth far more than them.

They wouldn't come for nothing but prospects. They would require major league talent who is cheap. I'm not even sure the Cubs could make the trade with them unless they did something like ship Zambrano along with 20M + prospects.