There may have been a time where Ramon Garcia was an ok pitcher. That time has long since come and gone. Yeah, Ramon Garcia had a 108 ERA+ and 1.305 WHIP in 1997, with Houston, but his 3 years in the bigs are little if any information other than he stunk. Ramon Ortiz though, hasn't been above average since 2004, and horrid the last few years. I'd rather use Marquis/Marshall/Gallagher/Lieber for the last 2 spots. :doh: