Pushfrog98

2 hours is a long time to squat!

Joe Strauss (on ESPN St. Louis) said that Carpenter fired off the F-bomb first, but it was a build up of what had happened when Plushie was still with the Nats. I can't remember what exactly happened though, but apparently he did something again in spring training against the Cardinals. Then got traded to the Brewers because Riggleman couldn't stand his act anymore. Sometime this year with the Brewers, Plushie had to be restrained in the dugout (and I think kicked from the game) for being "hostile" towards Carpenter and swearing up a storm. I think the double earlier in the game was the final straw for Carpenter. Once Plushie got to 2nd, he started cussing out Carpenter again. The Brandon Phillips deal with the Cardinals is funny. Plushie is just a tired act.

You say that as though it's a bad thing?

Good quiz. I had some brain farts (see Roethlisberger, Ben; Manning, Eli).

I didn't realize that either. I always liked him. Seemed like a very likable player.

we should probably keep GM talk within the Future GM thread so things don't get missed.

Damn, I really liked him coming out of college. Could he be a candidate for a practice squad? I'm not really sure how that works exactly.

He's a terrible, terrible human being. I'm still not certain that he's not a Martin Short character...

I can see your point, but I want to hire a GM, not someone who is going to hire a GM.

I hadn't seen these yet. My boss was talking about them today so I looked them up... ***warning*** Awkward Hi-Five Alert ***/warning*** You got that right. (I didn't want to dig up the old LaRussa forum because I'm lazy).

Yeah well you don't know what apartment number! I can help with that. :club: Has thread become some kind of group stalk? http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1626697074 Group Stalk: Complete.

I could be remembering it incorrectly, but didn't he catch it pretty far into foul territory as well?

And Konerko is a little banged up as well, isn't he?

Well, it's a safety hazard for starters... oh wait... he's not 3. Nevermind.

Hope that EVERY opponent is also out of shape?

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on. Are any of them Eagles fans? Vick was the runner up of a nationwide popularity contest to decide the next cover of Madden. He's pretty popular, even though his upcoming GQ article (exerpts on Deadspin today) is odd and he makes a few questionable comments. Popular, yes. But to ignore the fact that there are still people who despise him is ignorant. Do they have the right to despise him? I think so. I personally have gotten over it because I honestly feel like he is remorseful for his actions, but others feel he needs to do more. http://www.sackvick.net/ A site run by crazies? Yes. But they are still people (though I think they only count as .25 person).

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on.

I think the only question is the fanbase. The Cubs might decide that the hit to the fanbase from keeping Zambrano is worth more to them than the amount that Z can give you on the field. Otherwise there's no reason why they couldn't make up again. Wow. That's some opinion. I'll join in the throngs of people who disagree 100% with this. To quote Charlie Sheen, "winning". That's what its about. San Francisco obviously had no fans when Barry was carrying the team. Nobody cares too much about character in team sports. They will forgive anything if the bad characters are producing. Sammy was beloved when he was good. And he was hated when he sucked. To think that keeping Zambrano would lose fans is absolutely untrue. And to bring up the Pacers analogy is also wrong. The Pacers have sucked for a long time. Ron Artest had nothing to do with them losing fans. Sorry. So the implication is they care about character in individual sports? Would Tiger Woods have as many fans today if he started dominating again? Especially among women? Multiple people have given testimonies of people leaving because of character concerns some even while their team was still winning. To dismiss that would require calling all of them liars. Is there any proof that they are lying? I've said and will continue to say that winning is by far the biggest factor in attendance in pro sports. That doesn't mean there are not other factors that contribute. To say there's no point of no return (to extend it out to the absurd, would people really support a team full of murderers) is hard for me to swallow. Now, the argument that what Z did is minor enough that it will not break that point for more than a negligible amount of fans, that argument I can buy. First off, golf is an individual sport. A golfer being an a$$ is a little more difficult to overlook. Second, look at the ratings when Tiger Woods plays golf. Even when he's not winning. Multiple people leaving teams due to character issues? I've never met any person who's even claimed this. That's crazy. There are examples all over of athletes with "character" issues who are worshiped because they are good. Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Barry Bonds, ARod, Mike Vick. So a couple people claim they no longer like a team because of "character". If you say so. I've never seen it. But 99.9% don't. As sports fans, we are loyal to teams. And as for the individual player who pisses us off, usually it's because they perform badly. Look at all the rants on this message board about Soriano, or any of the many players who suck. He dogs it every single day. Doesn't even look like he's trying. Nobody stops rooting for the team because of him or anyone else. And Soriano would be the biggest hero in the city if he hit a World Series winning home run. If people want to view their athletes as role models and moral beings, then that's their prerogative. But most people don't. Ron Mexico is a bad example.

It has no other redeeming qualities. Even its promos irritate me. Exactly. Not having Cubs games on WGN has sucked for me. Not everybody gets a job where their favorite sports team is located. I get to watch the occasional WGN night game and once in a while a Sunday Night game. I think I've seen maybe 5 or 6 games on TV in the past 3 years. MLBTV I've been tempted, but worry about A)Blackout rules and B) My internet connection SUCKS. We have a very old infrastructure that needs updated badly. They're slowly making headway, but until then, I usually lose connection about every 10-15 minutes. I feel like I'm in 1995.

It has no other redeeming qualities. Even its promos irritate me. Exactly. Not having Cubs games on WGN has sucked for me. Not everybody gets a job where their favorite sports team is located. I get to watch the occasional WGN night game and once in a while a Sunday Night game. I think I've seen maybe 5 or 6 games on TV in the past 3 years.

Could it be about a potential "Cubs TV Network" that they've mentioned before?

They've been under .500 for 5 seasons. They were Eastern Conference finalists half the time in the 90's. Those blowhards you are talking to are full of crap. Besides, you are talking about a podunk town that struggles to support 2 sports franchises, none of which comes close to having the Cubs level of built in support. The Cubs aren't going to suffer a net decline in revenue because of the presence of Carlos Zambrano and it is pointless to pretend otherwise. I find it best to insult those who have a different mindset as myself. Seems to really get my point across better. And I have a few friends who were huge 49'ers fans. Grew up following Joe Montana, Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice, etc. Then T.O. came along. They couldn't stand the guy and actually stopped following football because of him. Those blowhards. I was able to get them to root for the Bears along with me, but overall, they don't care about football. Just because YOU find it insane that people could react in such a way doesn't make it wrong or improbable. *edit* Also, the 49'ers were actually still pretty good when they stopped following them. So it wasn't because they sucked for long periods of time that they stopped following.

Wouldn't the Cubs have one of the first dibs on him?

I'm surprised Andre Rison isn't on his list...

Does Michael Bourn always have Foo Fighters playing when he steps up to the plate? If so, he might be one of my favorite non-Cubs.