The KU pipeline to CA doesn't exist like it did in the Pierce days, but it doesn't need to. Roy wouldn't recruit east of Chicago. He claimed there were "too many good programs to fly over" to get to KU, so he built that pipe. The real reason was he probably didn't want to compete with his beloved Dean/UNC. Self will go anywhere for players. I think with the right coach, OU, OSU, and Mizzou could be long-term quality programs. They were certainly good back in the Stewart/Billy Tubbs years. Sounds like the OU/Baylor game got chippy. It's been physical the whole time, and Blake caught an intentional elbow when he basically sat on a kid during a loose-ball scramble. I like to think that OU and OSU (though not lately, at all) are longterm quality programs. But there's a difference between consistently being a top-25 team and being a national title contender, and it's hard to do that when you basically only recruit the Oklahoma kids that don't bounce to bigger programs (JR Giddens, Shelden Williams, Kelenna Azuibuke, Xavier Henry) and the Texas leftovers. Though, before Sampson bounced, Damion James and Scottie Reynolds were both OU commits. Can you imagine a team with Reynolds, Crocker/Godbold, James, Blake and Longar? That's a top 5 team. That team would've been sick. Maybe I'm just looking too closely at this year where OSU and OU aren't up to their usual snuff. Those teams have to be good for the Big XII to be good, because Nebraska, ISU, and CU are pretty much dead weight. (Though I do have some hopes for Sadler and Bdzelik). I'm very worried about the Sean Sutton thing, though. I think he could run that program into the ground if he's around too long. And, God, do I want Xavier Henry. I've seen Henry play, he'll probably be unstoppable in college. He plays against such a high level of talent during AAU ball that it's going to be easier for him once he gets into college. PS just like I said, OU is about to blow this game. We need at least 2 wins in the tourney (or a road win at Texas) to make the NCAAs now.