Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point. Kemp had the benefit of moving like a guard while still being 6'10 or whatever he was. No doubt about it that he was a complete freak. But Dwight does it at 270 pounds. If Dwight had done his off the back of the backboard windmill in the contest that jordan and dominique were jumping from freethrow lines and doing two hand reverses, Dwight would have won by 20 points. Those dunks wouldn't get you out of the first round any more. For the record, LeBron says he's not a good contest dunker and neither is Kobe, really. Not in the vein of what we saw last night. There's only so much innovation you can do with a ball in your hand, and I think we both know that Kobe is going to be putting on a Superman cape and dancing at midcourt. Gerald Green can get higher than Kobe by a good 6 inches. Lebron dominated a HS dunk contest on ESPN, but he was dunking against white guys and just throwing the ball off the backboard. The dunk contest has been innovated now. I am aware of this, but the superstars make the thing. Tomorrow Gerald Green goes back to being a nobody at the end of the bench for the Wolves. I still think Vince had a better performance than anyone last night and didn't have to resort to using props. He just wrong way 360ed with a huge windmill and looked like he just easily did it. I agree that superstars can ratchet up the excitement - I can't imagine what it was like preparing to watch Dominique and Jordan go head to head - but in the end, i think most people would rather watch nobodies do incredible things than superstars throw down game dunks. That being said, the VC contest was the best single performance in anything ever. The two handed FT line dunk doesn't get enough respect. But seriously, you think Gerald Green couldn't do that? He did Vince's between the legs dunk (actually it's Isaiah Rider's) with no shoes on. I see high school players hook their elbows in the rim. Things have changed. All this being said, no superstar like kobe or lebron is going to enter a dunk contest and risk being embarassed by Jamario Moon. I sitll think Vince had more. It was rumored he could pull a 720. The Jordan vs Dominque thing was pretty bad, but too be honest the Spud Webb one stuck with me the longest. The superstars didn't mind losing then. I remember when Isaiah Rider did that in the college dunk contest. The East Bay Funk Dunk, then proclaimed he would be winning the NBA dunk contest the next year. No one can do a 720. Not a legit one, anyway. Even the guy that "does one" starts out with his back to the basket.