Andy

USC 14, Oregon 0. Bama fans are real happy right now.

Furman 22, Florida 7

So much irony

Huh, Boiler Up feels like it's been around so damn long I would've thought it was older. In any case, Iowa should be a nonissue for Purdue, they still play Indiana. A bowl is all but assured.

The proposed alternative(8-4 Notre Dame v. 7-5 Florida State!) is even more annoying. I'm fairly sure the revamped system would retain benchmarks for BCS eligibility that would prevent such things, it just wouldn't force-feed the ACC winner into the Orange Bowl (even if they're 8-4) and whatnot.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

Man, ND looked sloppy tonight. Then again, Detroit is supposed to be quite good and we're Abromaitis-less until next Monday. So any win is a good one without him I guess.

They're an onside recovery and Chris Relf extending the ball away from being 4-6. It's a joke. Alabama will take care of that next week though.

Alabama lost at home to LSU, they don't deserve a rematch. I don't care when the game happened. But since it's the SEC I'm sure the media will trumpet it until it happens. Thus I'm pulling for OSU to run their schedule. No one in the media is trumpeting for a rematch at the moment. You are inventing slights that haven't happened. First, I have heard some trumpeting for an LSU-Alabama rematch (if/when Oklahoma State loses). Regardless, you are still missing the point in your Big Ten-hating haze. The point is, there has been no vehement push-back against an LSU-Alabama rematch as there was against an Ohio State-Michigan rematch in 2006-07. In 2006-07, the media (and poll voters) coalesced around the idea that a rematch was unpalatable -- which, I think, has some logic -- and contrived to push Florida ahead of Michigan in the polls. To this point, no such contrivance exists against an LSU-Alabama rematch. Maybe it will eventually; but, until it does, one must wonder why. The 'Big Ten hating haze' is your guys' reading of the situation. I only pointed out that Big Ten fans are the only ones still bitter about that because you are the only ones still bitter about it, not because of the all-consuming hatred I allegedly have for your conference. You don't know what the voters' reaction will/would be to the specter of an LSU/Bama rematch unless those two are again 1-2 going into the final weeks of the season (and nor do I), which is why I told illiniguy he was inventing slights that hadn't happened. I can tell you this, I'd be shocked if there wasn't a no-rematch push just like there was in 06. I'd bet anything on Oklahoma playing the Florida role and jumping up to #2 in that scenario. If the voters really do allow an LSU/Bama rematch, then by all means rip the system to shreds, because if that happens you'll have a point.

LSU dropping to Arkansas wouldn't by itself mess anything up. The SEC West 3-way tiebreaker - thanks to Stewart Mandel, I know this - is head to head among the top 2 teams of the 3 in the BCS rankings. In short, since Arkansas and Bama would surely leap past LSU if Arkansas beat the Tigers, Bama would go to the SEC title game based on head to head with Arkansas. If Bama then won the SEC title, and Okla St didn't lose a game, they'd play the Cowboys. If not, Bama/Oregon would be a very interesting title game matchup. I think the only way LSU drops behind Arkansas is if they get blown out. If they lose by a TD or less, I bet the voters would keep them ahead of Arkansas. I think the view of Arkansas would be the same as of Texas Tech a couple years ago with the three way tie in the Big 12. LSU has played a much tougher schedule than Arkansas and I think that keeps them in front. Bama also stays in front because they pounded Arkansas. I also agree that there's no way Oklahoma should play for the title with the loss to Texas Tech. I'd love to see an LSU-Oklahoma St. matchup for the title, though. Would Arkansas leap past Alabama if they beat LSU? If they somehow landed in between LSU and Bama, then the Razorbacks would play for the SEC title, which could change things.

It may depend on what they get offered for the pick. I think the reports of 3 #1's that have been floated by some are absurd, but NFL teams have surprised me before.

This neck injury is unpredictable and, seemingly, unprecedented. There's every chance Manning will either never be able to play again or would be risking major long-term health problems if he did. Luckily for Indy, they will have five more months to figure this out before having to make the decision.

I don't know if this is sarcastic or not, but Green Bay just did this exact thing six years ago, with a much less injury-riddled QB and a much lower draft pick. And I'm fairly sure it worked out ok. NFL franchises have to do what's best for them, they can't afford to honor history.

That's because other people hate ND like you hate the Big Ten. Well, it's safe to say we've been reduced to a weird mud-slinging match, so I'll withdraw from this one.

When did the two weeks before Thanksgiving become "let's play a I-AA school" time for the SEC?

It's quite obvious you didn't understand that. Just say you hate the Big Ten Andy. It'll make your next bizarre rant go away a lot quicker. Right, I'm the one with the conference bias when I've got Big Ten guys arguing that Big Ten teams should have played for the title in 06 when they both got annihilated against teams from other conferences after the fact. Butler and VCU should've been 1 seeds last year. Yes, those are the exact same arguments. Thank you. You know damn well that if I was making the same asinine argument you are making, but I was saying that ND was the team that should've gotten the rematch, I'd be getting shredded. And rightfully so, I might add.

Top 25 games ------------------------ (1) LSU at Ole Miss (7 pm, ESPN) (2) Oklahoma State at Iowa State (8 pm Friday, ESPN) Georgia Southern at (3) Alabama (2 pm, ESPN3) (18*) USC at (4) Oregon (8 pm, ABC – Regional) (5) Oklahoma at (22) Baylor (8 pm, ABC – Regional) Mississippi State at (6) Arkansas (3:30 pm, CBS) (7) Clemson at NC State (3:30 pm, ABC/ESPN) North Carolina at (8) Virginia Tech (8 pm Thursday, ESPN) California at (9) Stanford (10:15 pm, ESPN) (10) Boise State at San Diego State (8 pm, CBS College) SMU at (11) Houston (3:30 pm, FSN/CSN) The Citadel at (12) South Carolina (12 pm, ESPN3) (13) Kansas State at (23) Texas (8 pm, FX) Kentucky at (14) Georgia (12 pm, SEC Network) Indiana at (15) Michigan State (12 pm, BTN – Regional) (16) Nebraska at (18) Michigan (12 pm, ESPN) (17) Wisconsin at Illinois (12 pm, ESPN2) Colorado State at (19) TCU (3:30 pm, Versus) (20) Southern Miss at UAB (8 pm Thursday, CBS College) (21) Penn State at Ohio State (3:30 pm, ABC/ESPN) Samford at (24) Auburn (12 pm, ESPN3) Virginia at (25) Florida State (7:30 pm, ESPN2) (* denotes AP ranking; ineligible for BCS) Games of interest ------------------------ Ball State at Northern Illinois (8 pm Tuesday, ESPNU) Louisville at Connecticut (12 pm, Big East Network) Kansas at Texas A&M (12 pm, FSN/CSN) Iowa at Purdue (12 pm, BTN – Regional) Minnesota at Northwestern (12 pm, BTN – Regional) Georgia Tech at Duke (12:30 pm, ACC Network) Texas Tech at Missouri (3:30 pm, ABC – Regional) Boston College at Notre Dame (4 pm, NBC) Florida International at UL Monroe (5 pm) Vanderbilt at Tennessee (7 pm, ESPNU) Colorado at UCLA (7:30 pm, Versus) Other nationally available games --------------------------------------- Ohio at Bowling Green (8 pm Wednesday, ESPN) Western Michigan at Miami (OH) (8 pm Wednesday, ESPN2) Marshall at Memphis (8 pm Thursday, FSN/CSN) Toledo at Central Michigan (8 pm Friday, ESPNU) Cincinnati at Rutgers (12 pm, ESPNU) Furman at Florida (1 pm, ESPN3) Army at Temple (1 pm, ESPN3) Tulsa at UTEP (3 pm, CBS College) Maryland at Wake Forest (3 pm, ESPN3) Miami at South Florida (3:30 pm, ESPNU) Navy at San Jose State (4 pm, ESPN3) Utah State at Idaho (5 pm, ESPN3) Central Florida at East Carolina (7 pm, FSN/CSN) New Mexico State at BYU (10:15 pm, ESPNU)

It's quite obvious you didn't understand that. Just say you hate the Big Ten Andy. It'll make your next bizarre rant go away a lot quicker. Right, I'm the one with the conference bias when I've got Big Ten guys arguing that Big Ten teams should have played for the title in 06 when they both got annihilated against teams from other conferences after the fact.

LSU dropping to Arkansas wouldn't by itself mess anything up. The SEC West 3-way tiebreaker - thanks to Stewart Mandel, I know this - is head to head among the top 2 teams of the 3 in the BCS rankings. In short, since Arkansas and Bama would surely leap past LSU if Arkansas beat the Tigers, Bama would go to the SEC title game based on head to head with Arkansas. If Bama then won the SEC title, and Okla St didn't lose a game, they'd play the Cowboys. If not, Bama/Oregon would be a very interesting title game matchup.

BSU gave Arizona a nice run but the Cats were too much. Good effort, though.

Alabama lost at home to LSU, they don't deserve a rematch. I don't care when the game happened. But since it's the SEC I'm sure the media will trumpet it until it happens. Thus I'm pulling for OSU to run their schedule. No one in the media is trumpeting for a rematch at the moment. You are inventing slights that haven't happened.

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title. No, it certainly did not. I think it says a lot that only B1G fans are still beating or would ever beat the 'rematch' drum for that game. OSU controlled that game and Michigan came back and made it look closer than it was at the end. They both then got absolutely destroyed in bowl games. Troy Smith was embarrassingly bad against the first consistent pass rush he faced all year long. The B1G was weak that year outside the top 2. I don't understand why this is even an argument.

Nice game, Panthers. If there's a team that can lose to the Colts, it's us in two weeks.

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title.