BigbadB

I could not care less about this theory. If Pace gets the opportunity to move forward after his disappointing early results, he should do so only with the eye toward improvement, not appeasing idiots who can't stand Cutler and would be happy to suck w/o Cutler just as long as they do it w/o Cutler. Glennon is a plan designed for failure, but because you convince everybody a stopgap is a thing, then failure is accepted and he will not only live through that failure but also get to live through a prolonged development of the guy that replaces Glennon. Cutting Cutler and signing Glennon is a PR move, not a football one. It's a buffer that does nothing to make the team better. Jay's time has come and gone. He's also pretty injury prone at this point. Its conceivable Glennon IS a better QB in 2017 than Jay will be. I would almost bet that the decision to move on from Cutler could have come from higher up than Pace. Seems like the entire organization is ready to move on.

Where is your solution? John Fox would be long gone. At the very least he doesn't get to work with Cutler, a "madeup term for signing a QB with no expectations of success but still going to play the season and pay the guy starting QB money but not risk losing people's jobs if you lose because you convinced the public that this made up term is a real thing that should be considered when judging results", and a prospect. Ryan Pace should have hired a better coach long ago and because there is no risk to future you keep Cutler until the day you have a better QB ready to take over his job. They sign the best free agents available (of which Glennon is not even close to that list, let alone on top of it), and you draft the best players available. You keep adding the best talent out there that you can get your hands on and you don't waste time cutting one QB and signing another just because of some made up need to "move on". Paying Mike Glennon $30m to QB your team for a year and a half is just a waste of time and money. I've been a Cutler apologist as long as you have, but he's now about as popular as ketchup on a hot dog on the Fourth of July in Chicago. I totally understand moving on from him at this point even if he is a better QB candidate than anyone else available. Call it stop gap because there is no one out there that gives them the value to putting them in the playoff discussion before any games are played, but Cutler doesn't give them that discussion, either, and might create an even bigger distraction if he was benched in favor of a rookie. Not sure Glennon is the answer, and I probably would have stuck with Hoyer and the best QB available in the draft.

He's never missed a game as a Chicago Cub, so why the pessimism?

...David Ross tho? The Cardinal story was the first link when I opened it. Ross is there now. Cardinal story bumped one down. Weird.

They lost the first two draft picks (after Fowler) #56 and #75 for 2017 and they have 30 days to pay a $2 million fine. http://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-hires-David-Ross-for-MLB-analyst-position-50934921

With the amount of veteran bullpen arms already in the fold, is the idea of stretching Carl Edwards Jr. back out to be a starter completely out of the question? Obviously, it's probably not a good sign that he hasn't started in 2 years, but am curious what the reason was behind converting him.

Isn't Gordon looking at another suspension since he couldn't get back from his last one without having to check into rehab again? I'm all about bringing back Jeffrey. Hoping for White to be healthy and to contribute is too big of a gamble to let Jeffrey go.

Everything about this Charger move is comical at this point. The logo. The booing of Spanos and his logo when they showed him and his logo at the last LA Clippers game. The way Spanos skipped town before he made his announcement. The fans burning their memorabilia. The tattoo artists offering discounts for Charger tattoo cover-ups. The speeches by Colin Cowherd and Jim Rome, who I typically can't stand to listen to. The comments section of every internet thread that talks about the Chargers leaving town. The reaction by Los Angeles in general. I'd venture to guess more people from the LA market buy Raiders season tickets in Las Vegas before they buy Charger season tickets in LA. One of my favorite comments was about the San Diego fans helping raise money for Spanos to rent some Ryder trucks to move the team since he's so broke. This is really one of the dumbest things I've seen a sports owner do.

Oh man I read that as Jonathan Allen at first. That would have sucked. The more I read about him, the more I'd be apt to put him at the very top of my draft board. If he's truly that big of an impact player, and I'd have to guess one of the two teams picking ahead of the Bears goes QB, he should be there at #3. At that point, you can take him or get wowed by someone else that wants to move up to take him.

I think the Jacksonville owner just spent $100 million of his own money for improvements on their stadium. Not sure how long ago that was, but could impact how soon he'd be willing to up and move.

The NFL owners can still block this move, and they actually should considering how this whole thing has gone down. The following is a quote, but sums up this entire mess: "They are leaving a city they don’t really want to leave and one that doesn’t want them to go. They are moving to move, to a city they don’t really want to be in and one that doesn’t want them to come. Or, at best, doesn’t care."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-chargers-to-la-plaschke-20170111-story.html This is a pretty interesting article. It doesn't paint a very pretty picture for an LA/Charger relationship. Where is the hoopla in LA today? My Facebook feed is littered with a lot of hate and anger today directed at Spanos.

There is still the possibility of sharing the Coliseum. There are field issues to contend with because the soccer team plays at the same time as NFL, so there is no guarantee that the soccer team can have the NFL tearing up their field several times over the course of a season. Also, the Chargers changed their uniforms in 2012, and you can only change them so often, so the thought process is to keep them as the Chargers for one more season. They would much rather rebrand completely if they could, from what I've read.

I'm trying to find information on how soon Spanos can sell the team now that he's moving them to LA. I heard from someone he can't sell the team for 15 years after a move, but I can't find anything that says that. I'm pretty sure that if there is no requirement to hang onto the team after moving them, he will have it sold before they ever move into Kroenke Field. The guy is a total douchebag. He could have easily worked something out with the city, but he hasn't negotiated in good faith ever since he started talking about moving the team after Sterling sold the Clippers for $2 billion.

I still don't know why they hate Jason Hammel so much. He is the perfect 5/6 for this situation. Maybe he's just a pain in Maddon's ass and they didn't want to deal with him anymore, but the $/production would have been fine, particularly because they are in the Luxury Tax anyway. I read somewhere that a shoulder issue kept him off the playoff roster and the shoulder concerns might be creating a buyer beware tag on a long term deal. Whether there is truth to that or the Cubs left him off the roster for the more typical reasons a 5th starter gets left off a playoff roster, I have no idea. It was always assumed Hammel would try to collect a long term deal this offseason, and the Cubs released him from the 2017 obligation so that he could do just that. That no one is pursuing him even this late in the offseason when pitching is thin in availability, but thick in need is odd. It won't cost anyone a draft pick and he's probably a nice middle rotation add to more than half the teams in the league. I think the Cubs really want to give Montgomery a shot, so I don't think the Cubs would show any interest in Hammel even if he wanted to come back on a one year deal, or even the one year deal they could have had him for when the season ended.

Montgomery can't be counted on for much more than 140-150 innings, if even that many. He has logged that many in the minors, but that's been a few years back. A 6 man rotation earlier than last year makes even more sense than it did last year. There is also the possibility that Montgomery isn't effective in the rotation, and slipping Ross into his spot when he's ready and moving Montgomery into a long reliever or spot starter. Best case scenario, both are effective and will be options in the rotation long term when Lackey and possibly Arrieta move on.

I was getting legally drunk during that game. Damn I'm old. I was 9 when the Bears won, but I didn't get into football until much, much later, and I don't remember watching it. I was into the Bears even at 9 years old, but there weren't many fond memories of those teams outside of watching Butkus and Buffone. I did like Bobby Douglass as a QB, but probably because he was left handed and would take off running a lot, and I didn't know much about football then.

I was getting legally drunk during that game. Damn I'm old.

Isn't this more of an element of always being several scores down in a game?

I have such a hard time with the idea of the LA Chargers horsefeathers that horsefeathers It's a weird situation. We will know a lot more on January 15th, which is the last day they can announce a move to LA.

McCoy is already as good as gone. I suppose if the team were to move to LA, he could end up staying. But Charger fans absolutely despise McCoy. The pitchforks are out and opposing team fans have taken over the stadium. Every interview these days asks McCoy what he thinks about the possibility that he's out of a job for next year, which is kind of a stupid question to ask a coach, because what can he really say? "Yeah, I know, so I'm not going to give my best out there from now on since I'm getting fired anyway!" He gives the typical "I can't worry about next year or what might happen. I have a team to get ready for next week and that's all I'm focused on". Spanos has pissed off these fans so badly at this point, they want the Chargers to leave. And they truly have normally been a pretty loyal bunch.

Ugh.

I actually met him at the first WBC at Petco. We met up for drinks beforehand with a few other NSBB peeps and then sat together at the game. He seemed alright THEN.

I'm sure you meant Derek, but that you gave him a first name, but not Dalton or Prescott, and that he was a first pick bust kinda makes this funny. But it's also relevant to the discussion.

Dude, I didn't send it back to them in pieces. I walked right in the front door and cut it up in front of a line of customers at check out. Did you not read this entire thread? I entered this masterpiece into this contest myself.