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haven't heard anyone say five games. in fact, I think just about everyone here thinks we have holes -- look at the game threads :) Yep, I've heard it on this board. I have serious doubts. Marquis absolutely sucks. Kendall, well...nuff said. Pagan is pathetic. And our offense, no power. Continued lack of patience. Can't hit left-handed pitching. We're a playoff team? LOL We're four months into the season and these players have carried us to a 58-51 record. And we're in a weak division. We ARE NOT a lock for the playoffs -- and I really don't see anyone here saying that -- But we also don't deserve a "LOL" in regards to playoff chances.

haven't heard anyone say five games. in fact, I think just about everyone here thinks we have holes -- look at the game threads :)

counting to three is a baseball instinct? ;)

we really can't say it was the "same thing" yet though. a strain? if that's even true, it's very vague. We'll see. Wait for the Cubs to tell us how long he'll be out, add a couple days, and we'll move on.

Ron sounds very pessimistic. but he's also right that "that could mean anything" I like Ron, but I wouldn't put much stock into his medical opinions. haha, no doubt. But when the eternally optimistic are so pessimistic, it is a little worrying, even with no logical reason to be. Honestly, I'm not worried yet -- I'm waiting.

No doubt a serious one, judging by the reaction. That's got to be a preventable injury. Our training staff is terrible, has been forever. Assumption, speculation, exaggeration, exaggeration, hyperbole. Let's just wait and see, about this Soriano thing.

Ron sounds very pessimistic. but he's also right that "that could mean anything"

someone's hands musta been slippery . . .

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more inconspicuous than a tanya harding-esque trip to the DL, I suppose...

you mean, can he get two doubles in an inning ;)

(even though by now, they already have) not necesarily a fair request. They've earned the three they have because Maine is (the bad kind of) unhittable. He's walking players and hit a guy, that's why we're in the situation to begin with; we don't "deserve" any more.

Well, hell, then he should've just walked into the dugout and not bothered sliding. It doesn't matter what Jones "knows" because the umpire evidently didn't know it. it was an easy play. simple throw to third to get him on the force. like I said, JOnes knew he was out. should players fake it everytime it's a close call just to fool an ump (who the vast majority of the tme, will get the call right)? Hitters certainly don't decline walks on clear strikeouts. Pitchers don't decline strikeouts on clear balls. While I understand (and somewhat agree) with the honor and sportsmanship you are talking about, it clearly does not work that way. A player must accept the umpires call, beneficial or not, correct or not. Therefore, Jones should've attempted to get back on the bag and hoped for a blown call. we're finding some middle ground here. But when you see players show up the umpire by starting to walk to first when they think they've earned the walk, what do you think? The ump delays his strike call and the player has to walk back... He ends up looking dishonest (for whatever that's worth) and, more importantly, you just showed up the umpire. Good luck getting the next close call. I think that's pretty comarable. Sure, that kind of thing happens, but it's not a good idea for sportsmanship and competitive reasons.

Well, hell, then he should've just walked into the dugout and not bothered sliding. It doesn't matter what Jones "knows" because the umpire evidently didn't know it. it was an easy play. simple throw to third to get him on the force. like I said, JOnes knew he was out. should players fake it everytime it's a close call just to fool an ump (who the vast majority of the tme, will get the call right)? I think yes, they should. Play until it's over. Why wouldn't you -- is it not smart to attempt to get every advantage you can? every advantage? i guess so. but all I keep thinking is that jumping on Jones for his reaction is unfair -- what is running through his head is expected and fine. i just don't expect a player to be that quick when the natural reaction is, "I'm out, and it was obvious." He's not going to think "I'm out, it was obvious, and now I'm going to take the chance that the ump didn't see it and make a jackass out of myself by 'cheating' in front of everybody..."

Well, hell, then he should've just walked into the dugout and not bothered sliding. It doesn't matter what Jones "knows" because the umpire evidently didn't know it. it was an easy play. simple throw to third to get him on the force. like I said, JOnes knew he was out. should players fake it everytime it's a close call just to fool an ump (who the vast majority of the tme, will get the call right)?

come on guys - jones was dead to rights on the force, and the throw beat him. Jones knew he was out. edit: it was a bad slide though

and i bet if you took a poll of major leaguers, they'd say juan pierre and david eckstein are good baseball players. that's a little unfair why? even if it's an exaggeration (and I don't think it is), it makes the point that players are biased, and even ignorant, towards evaluation of players/stats/results. well it wasn't my argument.... either way, Sammy drove in 158 runs on a team with a .335 OBP while Olerud drove in 93 on a team with a .328 OBP. In other words, the frequency with which their teammates got on base was negligible, but Sammy made much better of it but "that's a little unfair" was your comment. why was it unfair? because eckstein and pierre didn't win the MVP that year I guess we just interpreted Mizzou/Anze's exchange differently, maybe. I don't think the other players' opinions enter into the "Which one player would you rather have" debate. And that's what I thought Anze was addressing: the players' collective credibility.

and i bet if you took a poll of major leaguers, they'd say juan pierre and david eckstein are good baseball players. that's a little unfair why? even if it's an exaggeration (and I don't think it is), it makes the point that players are biased, and even ignorant, towards evaluation of players/stats/results. well it wasn't my argument.... either way, Sammy drove in 158 runs on a team with a .335 OBP while Olerud drove in 93 on a team with a .328 OBP. In other words, the frequency with which their teammates got on base was negligible, but Sammy made much better of it but "that's a little unfair" was your comment. why was it unfair?

there are eight useless gloves out there, it seems.

sexual chocolate . . .

wow. just one base? that is an extreme difference!

it'll work most of the time ;)

and i bet if you took a poll of major leaguers, they'd say juan pierre and david eckstein are good baseball players. that's a little unfair why? even if it's an exaggeration (and I don't think it is), it makes the point that players are biased, and even ignorant, towards evaluation of players/stats/results.

on one hand, you really can't argue against any of those -- they all sucked, to put it eloquently. but really . . . the 9th inning of that Mets game. No doubt in my mind that that's the worst. The Colorado game (link) with Tulowitzki's homer would have been the worst, perhaps, if not for our own heroics... making it one of the most exciting wins of the year. That's Baseball... what a game :)

Link. I found it curious because I don't see how Dunn would clear waivers. A team claiming him would not be taking on a big contract, so I could see many teams making the claim to prevent someone else from getting him. Either way, I found the quote interesting. If he's still out there, I'd hope in light of our anemic offense, Hendry would make a run at him. If a team claims him, the Reds pull him off waivers and try to make a deal with the team that claimed him. The Reds certainly won't let him go for nothing. but if he's claimed... he can't be traded, though. even if it's to that team that claimed him. right? No, they can trade him to the team that claims him. The Reds have the option to either simply let Dunn go to that team, work out a trade with the claiming team, or pull him back. ah, thanks. did not know that :)