Gut feeling: Are we headed for a worst-case scenario?

[Magnetic Curses]

Jocketty must be stupid too, for taking Encarnacion and not sniffing giles because they had a hole in RF as well? Correct?

 

Completely different. He didn't have the money, or the glaring hole that Hendry had. STL has the benefit of already being a great team, with recent history of significant success, and a solid lineup. Yes they needed a RFer, but not nearly as bad as the Cubs needed a RFer. And again, Hendry had more money to throw at his problems.

 

honestly, why is it so hard for people to understand what you just said. people are acting like all GMs are on a level playing ground in terms of improving their teams in the offseason and their teams require the exact same help that we do (ex: "Are you saying that John Schuerholz is a bad GM because he didn't go after Giles?!!"). hendry probably had the most money out of any NL team to play with, he had the need, both philosophically (OBP) and position-wise (RF).

 

he did not even "sniff" (since badger appears to be so fixated on the term) Giles.

 

that's why he's done a bad job and appears to be content to wallow in the the mess that he's created.

[Magnetic Curses]

It appears that, indeed, Brian Giles did want to stay in San Diego. From SFGate.com

 

"As one of the top outfielders on the free-agent market, Giles attracted strong interest from the New York Yankees, Toronto, Cleveland — where he broke into the majors in 1995 — and the rival Los Angeles Dodgers. The Dodgers are thought to have offered $34.5 million for three seasons.

 

 

"Obviously, there were other deals out there," said Giles, the most consistent offensive player for a team that won the NL West with only 82 wins. "But I wanted to make a deal here."

 

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/12/01/sports/s134323S39.DTL[/code]

 

Way to leadoff w/ a home run first post.

 

that says nothing more than giles preferred to stay in san diego, which none of us are denying. that's not what upsets me. what's more telling is that "New York Yankees", "Toronto", and "Cleveland" are not pronounced "Chicago Cubs". THAT fact is what should be considered the home run--against hendry.

[HoopsCubs]

I think Giles was going to sign with SD pretty much no matter what.

 

Or at the very least, the LA Dodgers.

 

By the way, I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent.

[Magnetic Curses]

I think Giles was going to sign with SD pretty much no matter what.

 

Or at the very least, the LA Dodgers.

 

By the way, I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent.

 

i rest my case.

[goonys evil twin]

At the very least - he didn't appear to be testing the FA market in the same way Furcal did. That's my only point I guess.

 

 

Furcal was talking with two teams, the Cubs and Braves, before the Dodgers came out of nowhere and offered a lot more money than either of them. Perhaps if Jim had the foresight to offer a great contract to Giles, he wouldn't have been so quick to sign in SD.

[nick23]

I think Giles was going to sign with SD pretty much no matter what.

 

Or at the very least, the LA Dodgers.

 

By the way, I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent.

 

If this is true, it's really just frightening to think of how far Hendry could run this team into the ground.

[Soul]

We'll need career years/return to past glory from quite a few players, combined with poor luck for our chief rivals, just to climb into contention this year.

 

I suppose it could happen. Anything can happen. I'm officially classifying the 2006 season as suspect until I see differently though. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

As for Giles: the guy loves SD. Good for him. What I don't understand is, why do Cubbie failures always boil down to the failure of one or two signings, or one or two players? Why do other teams overcome their difficulties while we are always destroyed by them?

 

There's one reason. Bad organization. This team is run poorly from the top down. It's the *only* possible explanation for 100 years of consistent failure. Until that changes, we can look forward to more decades of wallowing in mediocrity with an occasional good year in between.

[BigbadB]

I think Giles was going to sign with SD pretty much no matter what.

 

Or at the very least, the LA Dodgers.

 

By the way, I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent.

 

I felt it was already confirmed when Hendry was quoted as saying before any serious offers were made that "I'm not going to get into a bidding war for Giles". Yet, he felt like getting into a bidding war for Furcal and Jones.

 

I felt it was already confirmed by the lack of any "news" that the Cubs had any interest.

 

I felt it was already confirmed when Bruce Miles came here and declared that one of the reasons was that Hendry had concerns about Giles age.

 

I felt it was already confirmed when Hendry made his strong play for Furcal.

 

But, confirmed doesn't necessarily change the fact that Giles may or may not have ever wanted to leave San Diego. That's possible. But, just about everyone has a price. I believe Giles price was 13m at minimum to move. Hendry had it to give to him.

[SteveSarley]

"I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent." - Hoops

How did you confirm this?

Are you Hendry?

Are you Giles?

Are you Giles' agent?

Did you read Rotoworld?

 

This usage of terms like "confirm," "my sources," and "insider," absolutely crack me up.

Edited December 30, 2005 by SteveSarley

[JeffH]

"I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent." BigbadB

 

How did you confirm this?

Are you Hendry?

Are you Giles?

Are you Giles' agent?

Did you read Rotoworld?

 

This usage of terms like "confirm," "my sources," and "insider," absolutely crack me up.

 

Hoops said this, not BBB.

[SteveSarley]

I stand corrected.

My apologies to BBB

[BigbadB]

Apology accepted. I have no sources. I confirm nothing. I am the king of speculation and the prince of opinion. Nothing more! :D

[SteveSarley]

Oh great King BBB - it seems that there are a lot of court jesters running around this kingdom.

[YearofDaCubs]

I think Giles was going to sign with SD pretty much no matter what.

 

Or at the very least, the LA Dodgers.

 

By the way, I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent.

I'm not surprised. Most of us had a good idea Hendry had no intentions of even looking at Giles.

[YearofDaCubs]

Apology accepted. I have no sources. I confirm nothing. I am the king of speculation and the prince of opinion. Nothing more! :D

Great quote BBB!

[BigbadB]

Apology accepted. I have no sources. I confirm nothing. I am the king of speculation and the prince of opinion. Nothing more! :D

Great quote BBB!

 

Thanks! The Marquis Grissom rumor has me feeling quite comical today. :D

[Magnetic Curses]

"I have confirmed (just yesterday in fact) that the Cubs had no interest in Giles, and hence, did not even try to talk to him or his agent." - Hoops

How did you confirm this?

Are you Hendry?

Are you Giles?

Are you Giles' agent?

Did you read Rotoworld?

 

This usage of terms like "confirm," "my sources," and "insider," absolutely crack me up.

 

if you'd been here longer than a month and a half, you'd probably know that hoops has a source--and is fairly reliable when giving out info.

 

you don't have to be giles, his agent, or hendry to know what's going on in the cubs orgainization. there are quite a few more cubs employees than jim hendry.

 

would you care to ask bruce miles if he is, in fact, jim hendry?

 

but please, continue with your personal crusade against this website and it's posters.

[SteveSarley]

I actually think that this is the best run website for baseball chat in the entire universe.

Crusade? Not me! Most of the posters here are insightful and intelligent.

So you say that Bruce Miles has a source and that Hoops has a source, therefore Hoops is as legitimate as Bruce Miles? Or are you saying Hoops is Bruce Miles? Or are you saying that Hoops and Bruce Miles share the same source? Stretching a bit, aren't you?

Exactly what is a source? Seriously? The switchboard operator at Wrigley Field? Hendry's butcher? People who claim they have sources are like guys who run around telling people they are "connected" to the mob. They are not very close at all.

By the way, the length of time a person has spent at a message board has no bearing on his ability to post, whatsoever. Maybe you think Marquis Grissom will be an All Star because he has been in the league for eighty jillion years? Same reasoning, isn't it?

By the way, Sulley -

They have doctors and medicines that can do a wonderful job at calming severe paranoia. Try a Google search. I am sure that there is help for you out there.

Edited December 30, 2005 by SteveSarley

[abuck1220]

I actually think that this is the best run website for baseball chat in the entire universe.

Crusade? Not me! Most of the posters here are insightful and intelligent.

So you say that Bruce Miles has a source and that Hoops has a source, therefore Hoops is as legitimate as Bruce Miles? Or are you saying Hoops is Bruce Miles? Or are you saying that Hoops and Bruce Miles share the same source? Stretching a bit, aren't you?

Exactly what is a source? Seriously? The switchboard operator at Wrigley Field? Hendry's butcher? People who claim they have sources are like guys who run around telling people they are "connected" to the mob. They are not very close at all.

By the way, the length of time a person has spent at a message board has no bearing on his ability to post, whatsoever. Maybe you think Marquis Grissom will be an All Star because he has been in the league for eighty jillion years? Same reasoning, isn't it?

 

not even close, actually.

[The Voice of Reason]

I actually think that this is the best run website for baseball chat in the entire universe.

Crusade? Not me! Most of the posters here are insightful and intelligent.

So you say that Bruce Miles has a source and that Hoops has a source, therefore Hoops is as legitimate as Bruce Miles? Or are you saying Hoops is Bruce Miles? Or are you saying that Hoops and Bruce Miles share the same source? Stretching a bit, aren't you?

Exactly what is a source? Seriously? The switchboard operator at Wrigley Field? Hendry's butcher? People who claim they have sources are like guys who run around telling people they are "connected" to the mob. They are not very close at all.

By the way, the length of time a person has spent at a message board has no bearing on his ability to post, whatsoever. Maybe you think Marquis Grissom will be an All Star because he has been in the league for eighty jillion years? Same reasoning, isn't it?

 

 

Dude - Not that Hoops needs anyone to defend him but FYI.

 

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: And The Prize Goes To...

 

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Lately, I've been thinking NSBB owes a bit of recognition to posters who've helped make it a more interesting place. The unique flavor of each online community comes from the mix of contributions by all of its posters, not just those of an elite few; but at the same time, high quality contributions from the top posters make that flavor a bit more mouth-watering. Circumstances conspired to make this a good time to honor such a poster, so Tim and I conferred to decide who it should be.

 

Our choice: HoopsCubs, who helped keep the Hot Stove cookin' here at NSBB with his willingness to thrash out trade ideas (peppering these discussions with insights gleaned from his vast correspondence), relentless search for online articles discussing possible player moves, and painstaking salary number crunching. In particular, while the board has seen some thought-provoking discussions, it's tough to beat "Is Choi For Lee On Anyone's Radar?" (a thread Hoops started less than an hour before news of the trade splashed all over the Internet) for topicality. For his efforts, Hoops wins the 1st annual (?) NSBB Award for Posting Excellence. Please join Tim and myself in extending our thanks to Hoops for helping to make our online community a little more interesting.

 

As a token of our appreciation, we've given HoopsCubs a ticket to this weekend's Cubs Convention.

[BigbadB]

Okay, this is getting a bit carried away. Let's just get back to the discussion at hand. Thanks!

[Magnetic Curses]

By the way, the length of time a person has spent at a message board has no bearing on his ability to post, whatsoever. Maybe you think Marquis Grissom will be an All Star because he has been in the league for eighty jillion years? Same reasoning, isn't it?

By the way, Sulley -

They have doctors and medicines that can do a wonderful job at calming severe paranoia. Try a Google search. I am sure that there is help for you out there.

 

paranoia? i'm not the one insulting mods.

 

but if you read my post again, you'll notice that i wasn't saying that the length of time people are here in any way effects their ability to post. i was saying that if you knew hoops, or had seen posts from him in the past, you'd know that he's a valuable asset to this site. who's the one that's paranoid again?

 

but instead, you're here a couple months, don't know much about his posting practices, and then cheapen his contributions to this board by being a total jerk to him in a public forum, however, instead of insulting him directly, you insulted BBB by mistake.

 

So you say that Bruce Miles has a source and that Hoops has a source, therefore Hoops is as legitimate as Bruce Miles? Or are you saying Hoops is Bruce Miles? Or are you saying that Hoops and Bruce Miles share the same source? Stretching a bit, aren't you?

 

o.................kay. this makes no sense. let me get this straight. i'm saying hoops and bruce miles are the same person because i postulated that one does not have to be jim hendry to have inside information? you are completely insane.