Cards Offer Burnett 4/40

[PieOnMyHands]

The free agent market right now is a joke. Let's take a look...

 

- Kevin Millwood got a 1 year, $7 million deal after having a 4.85 ERA in 2004.

- Matt Morris is on the verge of signing for 3 years at $8 million.

- Esteban Loiaza just got 3 years at nearly $7 million.

- Eric Milton is set to make $8.5 million in 2006...

- Russ Ortiz made over $7 million in 2005.

 

See where I'm going with this? Look at what Eyre and Howry got.

 

Fact is that if you get your pitching through free agency, you inevitably overpay. That's just the way things are. Burnett at $10 million is bad, right? But is it really horrendous, when Matt Morris is getting $8 million? Or when Eric Milton is getting $8.5 million? I'll spend a couple extra million, because Burnett has the potential to be significantly better than those two, and everyone on that list up above, for that matter.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with a 1/$10m deal for Burnett. The problem is the rumors are for 4 or 5 years, which is absurd. Wood signed what was basically a 3/30 extension a couple years ago. Last year's free agent market pretty much set the price for pitching at 3/27. Only Pedro and Pavano got 4 years, going to crazy free spending big market teams, one of which was about to launch a new cable channel to compete with YES. But he's Pedro has been a great pitcher for years. Burnett has upside, and he's had 2 very good seasons, he's never been dominant for a full season, he's had his limited success in a strong pitcher's park, he's had a couple major surgeries, and he's been on the DL a lot. 4 years is extremely risky for him.

 

4 years for anyone is risky. I guess that's a risk you've got to take, though, if you go the free agent route...

 

I heard a rumor from a Blue Jays message board that said that the Cards offer is 4 years, $38 million... plus a 5th year option.

[CubfaninCA]

Let them have him for 4 and 40. Of course, he'll probably win the Cy Young in St. Louis. That franchise has tons of luck.

[PieOnMyHands]

OT do you think and extension for mulder will follow IF and IF we sign AJ?

 

Mulder is not from Arkansas, and he's not going to take a home town discount. I figure he's as good as gone.

 

The very formidable rotation of Carpenter, Burnett, Mulder will last just one year, I fear. I really wonder how Reyes will pitch next year.. He's got ace-caliber stuff. Maybe he's ready to step in as the #3 in 2007?

[goonys evil twin]

4 years for anyone is risky. I guess that's a risk you've got to take, though, if you go the free agent route...

 

But Burnett's risk is far greater than most anybody else.

 

First, he's a pitcher - more risky than position players. Second, he's had several injury issues in the past, including surgery - the best predictor for future injury is always past injury. Third, he's never put together back to back good years, something the unreliable Wood has done (and he's older than Wood). Fourth, the limited success he has enjoyed has been in a pitcher's park.

[Inthecards]

OT do you think and extension for mulder will follow IF and IF we sign AJ?

 

Mulder is not from Arkansas, and he's not going to take a home town discount. I figure he's as good as gone.

 

The very formidable rotation of Carpenter, Burnett, Mulder will last just one year, I fear. I really wonder how Reyes will pitch next year.. He's got ace-caliber stuff. Maybe he's ready to step in as the #3 in 2007?

 

it is just hard for me to see mulder as a rental for all that we gave up for him...I see an extension b4 this season starts.

[nick23]

OT do you think and extension for mulder will follow IF and IF we sign AJ?

 

Mulder is not from Arkansas, and he's not going to take a home town discount. I figure he's as good as gone.

 

The very formidable rotation of Carpenter, Burnett, Mulder will last just one year, I fear. I really wonder how Reyes will pitch next year.. He's got ace-caliber stuff. Maybe he's ready to step in as the #3 in 2007?

If the Cardinals don't win the WS and Mulder leaves after next season, that trade has the potential to go down as one of the worst trades over the last 10 years. I can't explain how happy that makes me feel.

[PieOnMyHands]

it is just hard for me to see mulder as a rental for all that we gave up for him...I see an extension b4 this season starts.

 

But it was for two years. That's why he had so much value.

 

Think about it... Mulder will get at least $9 million, even if he took a discount.

 

Burnett - $9 million

Carpenter - $7 million

Mulder - $9 million

Pujols - $14 million

Rolen - $12 million

Edmonds - $10 million

Izzy - $9 million

 

$70 million on 7 players? I don't think so!

[Inthecards]

it is just hard for me to see mulder as a rental for all that we gave up for him...I see an extension b4 this season starts.

 

But it was for two years. That's why he had so much value.

 

Think about it... Mulder will get at least $9 million, even if he took a discount.

 

Burnett - $9 million

Carpenter - $7 million

Mulder - $9 million

Pujols - $14 million---- 3M of 2007 thru 2010 salaries deferred at no interest-

Rolen - $12 million

Edmonds - $10 million-----This is a team option would like an extention he has stated....more deffered money?

Izzy - $9 million

$70 million on 7 players? I don't think so!

so it isnt so bad...plus in the likes of izzy....you do have to have a closer and we have seen there mkt value lately

[PieOnMyHands]

[burnett - $9 million

Carpenter - $7 million

Mulder - $9 million

Pujols - $14 million---- 3M of 2007 thru 2010 salaries deferred at no interest-

Rolen - $12 million

Edmonds - $10 million-----This is a team option would like an extention he has stated....more deffered money?

Izzy - $9 million

$70 million on 7 players? I don't think so!

 

Good points!

 

I'd rather see what he does in 2006 before signing him, though. His 2005 was good, not great. If he returns to his early Oakland days... extend that contract, baby.

[Inthecards]

[burnett - $9 million

Carpenter - $7 million

Mulder - $9 million

Pujols - $14 million---- 3M of 2007 thru 2010 salaries deferred at no interest-

Rolen - $12 million

Edmonds - $10 million-----This is a team option would like an extention he has stated....more deffered money?

Izzy - $9 million

$70 million on 7 players? I don't think so!

 

Good points!

 

I'd rather see what he does in 2006 before signing him, though. His 2005 was good, not great. If he returns to his early Oakland days... extend that contract, baby.

 

agreed and look at the cubs...it will be similar

 

dlee up for fa.....5 yr 70mill?

prior....lol...if burnett gets 4/40 prior4/50

aram making 10+ 4yrs/42 i think

wood making 10ish

furcal like they say another 10

z....when is his payday....?

(if i am wrong chime in and dont flame me)

 

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BE COMPETITIVE

[UK1679666180]

If they sign him that has to equate to the new gutless wonder (Marquis) being traded. I can't see them putting him in the pen and whining for a year or having Reyes rot at AAA, while Wainwright waits behind Reyes as he progresses.

[CubRock2]

agreed and look at the cubs...it will be similar

 

dlee up for fa.....5 yr 70mill?

prior....lol...if burnett gets 4/40 prior4/50

aram making 10+ 4yrs/42 i think

wood making 10ish

furcal like they say another 10

z....when is his payday....?

(if i am wrong chime in and dont flame me)

 

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BE COMPETITIVE

 

Dude, no offense, but could you take an extra minute or two and improve punctuation and grammar in your posts. I'm not exactly an English major, but your posts have got to be getting passed up by more than just me.

 

EDIT: Please reduce the size of Pujols' mid-life crisis pic, too.

 

Thanks! :lol:

Edited December 2, 2005 by CubRock2

[YearofDaCubs]

[burnett - $9 million

Carpenter - $7 million

Mulder - $9 million

Pujols - $14 million---- 3M of 2007 thru 2010 salaries deferred at no interest-

Rolen - $12 million

Edmonds - $10 million-----This is a team option would like an extention he has stated....more deffered money?

Izzy - $9 million

$70 million on 7 players? I don't think so!

 

Good points!

 

I'd rather see what he does in 2006 before signing him, though. His 2005 was good, not great. If he returns to his early Oakland days... extend that contract, baby.

 

agreed and look at the cubs...it will be similar

 

dlee up for fa.....5 yr 70mill?

prior....lol...if burnett gets 4/40 prior4/50

aram making 10+ 4yrs/42 i think

wood making 10ish

furcal like they say another 10

z....when is his payday....?

(if i am wrong chime in and dont flame me)

 

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BE COMPETITIVE

I think the difference being that the Cubs have the ability to spend more money per season than the Cardinals do.

[Inthecards]

agreed and look at the cubs...it will be similar

 

dlee up for FA is 5 yr 70mill enough?

prior-if burnett gets 4/40 prior gets 4/50?

aram making 10+ the contract I thinks is 4yrs/42

wood is making 10 million dollars

furcal if he comes here will cost another 10 million

Z-going to have to pay him if you want to keep him

 

(If I am wrong, chime in and don't flame me.)

 

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BE COMPETITIVE

 

Dude, no offense, but could you take an extra minute or two and improve punctuation and grammar in your posts. I'm not exactly an English major, but your posts have got to be getting passed up by more than just me.----------good enough?

 

EDIT: Please reduce the size of Pujols' mid-life crisis pic, too. ---He is not in a mid-life crisis, he is just showing that he doesn't use cork. :wink:

 

Thanks! :lol:

[Blueheart05]

agreed and look at the cubs...it will be similar

 

dlee up for FA is 5 yr 70mill enough?

prior-if burnett gets 4/40 prior gets 4/50?

aram making 10+ the contract I thinks is 4yrs/42

wood is making 10 million dollars

furcal if he comes here will cost another 10 million

Z-going to have to pay him if you want to keep him

 

(If I am wrong, chime in and don't flame me.)

 

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BE COMPETITIVE

 

Dude, no offense, but could you take an extra minute or two and improve punctuation and grammar in your posts. I'm not exactly an English major, but your posts have got to be getting passed up by more than just me.----------good enough?

 

EDIT: Please reduce the size of Pujols' mid-life crisis pic, too. ---He is not in a mid-life crisis, he is just showing that he doesn't use cork. :wink:

 

Thanks! :lol:

 

 

Nah, the cork is just further up the shaft. :wink: :P

[Inthecards]

agreed and look at the cubs...it will be similar

 

dlee up for FA is 5 yr 70mill enough?

prior-if burnett gets 4/40 prior gets 4/50?

aram making 10+ the contract I thinks is 4yrs/42

wood is making 10 million dollars

furcal if he comes here will cost another 10 million

Z-going to have to pay him if you want to keep him

 

(If I am wrong, chime in and don't flame me.)

 

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO BE COMPETITIVE

 

Dude, no offense, but could you take an extra minute or two and improve punctuation and grammar in your posts. I'm not exactly an English major, but your posts have got to be getting passed up by more than just me.----------good enough?

 

EDIT: Please reduce the size of Pujols' mid-life crisis pic, too. ---He is not in a mid-life crisis, he is just showing that he doesn't use cork. :wink:

 

Thanks! :lol:

 

 

Nah, the cork is just further up the shaft. :wink: :P

 

 

ummm...the secret is out :lol:

[bhogg]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

 

 

 

As a life-long Arkansan, I really appreciate you talking crap about me and the other citizens of the state.

 

When a native Chicagoan wants to play for the Cubs it's called "coming home." When an Arkansan wants to play for the Cards (Arkansas is historically a Cardinal state) it' called wanting to be a "hill billy."

[moorecg]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

 

 

 

As a life-long Arkansan, I really appreciate you talking crap about me and the other citizens of the state.

 

When a native Chicagoan wants to play for the Cubs it's called "coming home." When an Arkansan wants to play for the Cards (Arkansas is historically a Cardinal state) it' called wanting to be a "hill billy."

 

Bad day?

[Magnetic Curses]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

 

 

 

As a life-long Arkansan, I really appreciate you talking crap about me and the other citizens of the state.

 

well then, petition your congressperson to raise the age of consent from 14 to something reasonable.

 

joking, joking. but not about the age of consent being 14.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Yes, the Cards #1 negotiating tactic is the lure of Mullets. Not that we're making any broad sweeping generalizations about the population of an entire city or anything...

 

Didn't Larry Walker use to have a mullet & this is why he fit in so well in STL?

:P

[UBlink]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

 

 

 

As a life-long Arkansan, I really appreciate you talking crap about me and the other citizens of the state.

 

When a native Chicagoan wants to play for the Cubs it's called "coming home." When an Arkansan wants to play for the Cards (Arkansas is historically a Cardinal state) it' called wanting to be a "hill billy."

 

I would have thought someone who chose the name BHogg would be able to take a hillbilly joke. :)

[moorecg]

Yes, the Cards #1 negotiating tactic is the lure of Mullets. Not that we're making any broad sweeping generalizations about the population of an entire city or anything...

 

Don't forget cars with t-tops and the worlds greatest fans...we've got a lot of those down here too...

 

:D :D

 

 

People are sensitive today...it must be the holidays (winter meetings)

[PieOnMyHands]

Yikes.

 

Now I'm hearing that Toronto may guarantee a 5th year, and offer up to as much as $65 million? You couldn't blame Burnett for accepting that!

 

I don't want to get into any bidding wars, here. Wayyyyyy too big of a risk to begin with, especially if his prices is continually driven up.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Yikes.

 

Now I'm hearing that Toronto may guarantee a 5th year, and offer up to as much as $65 million? You couldn't blame Burnett for accepting that!

 

I don't want to get into any bidding wars, here. Wayyyyyy too big of a risk to begin with, especially if his prices is continually driven up.

 

Your hearing that from???

[don_kessinger_was_good]

St Louis and Arkansas also feature the lowest ratio of dentists per capita in the US. I point this out because I care about the poor little meth-addled hillbilly Cardinal fans, I really do. We shouldn't disparage them because they all have 8th grade educations and like to wear mullets. They're Americans too, dammit!