Grudz wants a three year deal?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You can look at it any way you want to - the point is, Neifi and Burnitz did what they were asked and how many Cubs can you REALLY say that for last year?

 

From the logic in this thread, it applies to anyone that's ever played major league baseball.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Let me then point out what is not so great about your reading comprehension skills.

 

Let me point something out, having a high post count doesn't allow you the luxury of personal attacks.

 

That is not a personal attack.

 

I clearly laid out how Neifi's presence in the linup hurt the team.

 

Then the other guy tried to tell me how wrong I was for blaming Neifi. I didn't blame Neifi, I blamed his presence in the lineup. Neifi performed as expected. Unfortunately, Neifi as expected is an awful option for a starter, especially atop the lineup.

 

The fact that he felt the need to point out how wrong I was put the responsibility on him to actually criticize what I really wrote, and the fact that he so blatantly misrepresented what I wrote is completely his fault.

[goonys evil twin]

Let's examine your stellar reading comprehensive skills - rewording everything I said and throwing it in your reasoning?

 

I believe I read correctly when you stated "Neifi sucked". And that's where I'm coming from? My comprehension is just fine, thank you :wink:

Can you comprehend that?

 

Neifi did suck. His inability to hit wouldn't hurt a team that used him properly. But the Cubs inability to use him properly hurt them.

 

I've been saying what I said in that post for a while. I did not take any of your thoughts and simply turn the words around.

 

Oh, come one....this is alot more simple to figure out than what you're making it. The misuse of Neifi DID suck. That doesn't mean Neifi sucks, right? It's that simple, Captain Comprehension.

 

Neifi sucks. It's not hard to understand. He can't hit. But you can find a use for him if you don't let him hit much. Unfortunately the Cub found a way to hit him far more other than they should have. I know it's that simple, because that's what I wrote, and what you decided to blast as completely wrong.

[fearthecubs]

You can look at it any way you want to - the point is, Neifi and Burnitz did what they were asked and how many Cubs can you REALLY say that for last year?

 

From the logic in this thread, it applies to anyone that's ever played major league baseball.

 

Yea, I think Carlos Beltran lived up to his deal. Nice blanket inference.

[nolanwood]

 

Let me then point out what is not so great about your reading comprehension skills.

 

Let me point something out, having a high post count doesn't allow you the luxury of personal attacks.

 

That is not a personal attack.

 

I clearly laid out how Neifi's presence in the linup hurt the team.

 

Then the other guy tried to tell me how wrong I was for blaming Neifi. I didn't blame Neifi, I blamed his presence in the lineup. Neifi performed as expected. Unfortunately, Neifi as expected is an awful option for a starter, especially atop the lineup.

 

The fact that he felt the need to point out how wrong I was put the responsibility on him to actually criticize what I really wrote, and the fact that he so blatantly misrepresented what I wrote is completely his fault.

 

Gooney's Evil Twin Sucks!!

 

And, according to the logic set forth by a plethora of other members in this post, Gooney's Evil Twin is the reason this messageboard sucks.

 

I comprehended your statement of "Neifi Sucks" just fine.....

Edited November 25, 2005 by nolanwood

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You can look at it any way you want to - the point is, Neifi and Burnitz did what they were asked and how many Cubs can you REALLY say that for last year?

 

From the logic in this thread, it applies to anyone that's ever played major league baseball.

 

Yea, I think Carlos Beltran lived up to his deal. Nice blanket inference.

 

It's been pretty clearly implied that you can't blame the player for poor performance, you blame his usage. If that's the case, then it applies to anyone.

[fearthecubs]

You can look at it any way you want to - the point is, Neifi and Burnitz did what they were asked and how many Cubs can you REALLY say that for last year?

 

From the logic in this thread, it applies to anyone that's ever played major league baseball.

 

Yea, I think Carlos Beltran lived up to his deal. Nice blanket inference.

 

It's been pretty clearly implied that you can't blame the player for poor performance, you blame his usage. If that's the case, then it applies to anyone.

 

I said this before and this is the second time I'm saying it - you don't get it. Baseball isn't about 'blaming' players for anything. For example, do you really think Corey was making an active effort to suck last year? Do you think Neifi was trying to not be 6'0 250 and able to hit moonshots? Baseball more than any professional sport is a TEAM GAME. We got what we expected from both Neifi and Burnitz, that means they were not the weak link in the team chain. It's just like if a hacker is trying to penetrate your PC. He'll go to port SS, wait, thats blocked...ok lets try port RF...no, their plan is holding up there...lets try CF....hmm, here's an easy way to get in and sabotage something.

 

The key to any successful franchise is A+ player development and scouting, whenever you get what you thought you'd get for a player - that is a success. When players go to the DL, forget how to swing a damn bat, and these are impact players, it blows a shotgun shell hole in the plans for your team. Neifi and Burnitz at least made it to work.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You can look at it any way you want to - the point is, Neifi and Burnitz did what they were asked and how many Cubs can you REALLY say that for last year?

 

From the logic in this thread, it applies to anyone that's ever played major league baseball.

 

Yea, I think Carlos Beltran lived up to his deal. Nice blanket inference.

 

It's been pretty clearly implied that you can't blame the player for poor performance, you blame his usage. If that's the case, then it applies to anyone.

 

I said this before and this is the second time I'm saying it - you don't get it. Baseball isn't about 'blaming' players for anything. For example, do you really think Corey was making an active effort to suck last year? Do you think Neifi was trying to not be 6'0 250 and able to hit moonshots? Baseball more than any professional sport is a TEAM GAME. We got what we expected from both Neifi and Burnitz, that means they were not the weak link in the team chain. It's just like if a hacker is trying to penetrate your PC. He'll go to port SS, wait, thats blocked...ok lets try port RF...no, their plan is holding up there...lets try CF....hmm, here's an easy way to get in and sabotage something.

 

The key to any successful franchise is A+ player development and scouting, whenever you get what you thought you'd get for a player - that is a success. When players go to the DL, forget how to swing a damn bat, and these are impact players, it blows a shotgun shell hole in the plans for your team. Neifi and Burnitz at least made it to work.

 

Just because a player has low expectations doesn't mean that their performance is not bad, and needing to be replaced.

[Blueheart05]

Hmmm, I thought this thread was about Grudz seeking a three year deal. :roll: :wink: :lol:

[Warpticon]

You can look at it any way you want to - the point is, Neifi and Burnitz did what they were asked and how many Cubs can you REALLY say that for last year?

 

From the logic in this thread, it applies to anyone that's ever played major league baseball.

 

Yea, I think Carlos Beltran lived up to his deal. Nice blanket inference.

 

It's been pretty clearly implied that you can't blame the player for poor performance, you blame his usage. If that's the case, then it applies to anyone.

 

I said this before and this is the second time I'm saying it - you don't get it. Baseball isn't about 'blaming' players for anything. For example, do you really think Corey was making an active effort to suck last year? Do you think Neifi was trying to not be 6'0 250 and able to hit moonshots? Baseball more than any professional sport is a TEAM GAME. We got what we expected from both Neifi and Burnitz, that means they were not the weak link in the team chain. It's just like if a hacker is trying to penetrate your PC. He'll go to port SS, wait, thats blocked...ok lets try port RF...no, their plan is holding up there...lets try CF....hmm, here's an easy way to get in and sabotage something.

 

The key to any successful franchise is A+ player development and scouting, whenever you get what you thought you'd get for a player - that is a success. When players go to the DL, forget how to swing a damn bat, and these are impact players, it blows a shotgun shell hole in the plans for your team. Neifi and Burnitz at least made it to work.

 

You're explaining something that has no relevance to the above comments, and *he* doesn't get it? (Nevermind the sheer ridiculousness of claiming a game that is 80% one-on-one matchups is more of a team game than any other sport.) I'm pretty sure CP20 wasn't blaming anyone in this thread, just citing the logical fallacies that abound here. Was the last time you said this all at as irrelevant a point as this one was?

 

And I would think if, you're going to throw around accusations, you could at LEAST keep up with who you're accusing.

 

And I'm also trying to figure out how a player producing poorly is ever not a bad thing. Just because you have low expectations doesn't make it any less of a bad thing to have low production.

[fearthecubs]

You're explaining something that has no relevance to the above comments, and *he* doesn't get it? (Nevermind the sheer ridiculousness of claiming a game that is 80% one-on-one matchups is more of a team game than any other sport.) I'm pretty sure CP20 wasn't blaming anyone in this thread, just citing the logical fallacies that abound here. Was the last time you said this all at as irrelevant a point as this one was?

 

And I would think if, you're going to throw around accusations, you could at LEAST keep up with who you're accusing.

 

Uh, I'm sorry?

 

I will tackle your agument that it's not a team game - go ask Ozzie that.

[nick23]

You're explaining something that has no relevance to the above comments, and *he* doesn't get it? (Nevermind the sheer ridiculousness of claiming a game that is 80% one-on-one matchups is more of a team game than any other sport.) I'm pretty sure CP20 wasn't blaming anyone in this thread, just citing the logical fallacies that abound here. Was the last time you said this all at as irrelevant a point as this one was?

 

And I would think if, you're going to throw around accusations, you could at LEAST keep up with who you're accusing.

 

Uh, I'm sorry?

 

I will tackle your agument that it's not a team game - go ask Ozzie that.

This could be the worst argument in message board history. Neifi and Burnitz were two of the worst hitters in baseball last year per their position. How can someone even try and justify that?

[fearthecubs]

This could be the worst argument in message board history. Neifi and Burnitz were two of the worst hitters in baseball last year per their position. How can someone even try and justify that?

 

Because you're misunderstanding my point. It's just as easy for me as it is for you to go to ESPN and see that Burnitz is near the bottom for NL OF's in OPS. My point is he did what he was asked, and I'd rather have a whole team of players like that than Kerry Woods.

[nick23]

This could be the worst argument in message board history. Neifi and Burnitz were two of the worst hitters in baseball last year per their position. How can someone even try and justify that?

 

Because you're misunderstanding my point. It's just as easy for me as it is for you to go to ESPN and see that Burnitz is near the bottom for NL OF's in OPS. My point is he did what he was asked, and I'd rather have a whole team of players like that than Kerry Woods.

Please explain "did what he was asked" because I seriously doubt the cubs asked him to suck at hitting.

[Warpticon]

You're explaining something that has no relevance to the above comments, and *he* doesn't get it? (Nevermind the sheer ridiculousness of claiming a game that is 80% one-on-one matchups is more of a team game than any other sport.) I'm pretty sure CP20 wasn't blaming anyone in this thread, just citing the logical fallacies that abound here. Was the last time you said this all at as irrelevant a point as this one was?

 

And I would think if, you're going to throw around accusations, you could at LEAST keep up with who you're accusing.

 

Uh, I'm sorry?

 

I will tackle your agument that it's not a team game - go ask Ozzie that.

 

Go ask Ozzie what? Moreover, what does this have to do with anything? What are you tackling? And when did I say it wasn't a team game?

[SouthSideRyan]

Hmmm, I thought this thread was about Grudz seeking a three year deal. :roll: :wink: :lol:

 

I just assumed it was about Choi after seeing it at 6 pages.