11/26 College Football

[adamb0719]

I was going to ask about the OSU/PSU split. Derwood and Truffle, how is that sitting in Nittany Lion nation. I can't comprehend how these two teams split the Big 10 title. PSU won head to head and they have the same conference record. What else is there to be said? Does it have something to do with OSU beating Michigan-the only team PSU lost to? Even that shouldn't matter IMO. I also liked how OSU players were wearing shirts/hats that said "Big 10 champs" no mention of the "co" part. And now a PSU team that wins the BCS spot may get passed over for OSU as the first choice for a bowl? PSU is getting jobbed in this whole thing.

[adamb0719]

The new BCS

 

1 USC

2 Texas

3 Penn State

4 LSU

5 Virginia Tech

6 Ohio State

7 Oregon

8 Notre Dame

9 Miami

10 Auburn

11 West Virginia

12 UCLA

13 TCU

14 Alabama

15 Georgia

16 Texas Tech

17 Wisconsin

18 Boston College

19 Fresno State

20 Louisville

21 Georgia Tech

22 Michigan

23 Florida

24 Florida State

25 Northwestern

[adamb0719]

Oregon - Probably the team that is getting screwed worst. Their USC loss wasn't particularly impressive-looking, but for a one-loss team to be passed over for an at-large berth would be very unfortunate. Should UCLA beat USC, I think Raisin said that Oregon would get the Pac-10's bid for reasons I haven't gathered.

 

I'm not sure about this anymore. The LA Times hasn't mentioned anything about this in a week and other publications are now saying the Pac-10 will go to the winner of UCLA-USC. :-k

 

If UCLA wins it becomes a 3 way tie. In that case it goes to non-conference games, and since Oregon has played the weakest non-conference (they have a division IAA) they are out. UCLA and USC then go on a head-to-head tiebreaker which UCLA would win. At least that is what was just explained to me.

 

EDIT: Perhaps I am wrong in what I just wrote

 

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MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE [3]

If at any point the tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure is applied.

 

If one team defeated all other teams, that team is the BCS representative. Alternately, if one team lost to all other teams, that team is eliminated.

 

If more than two teams remain tied, each team's record against the common opponent(s) occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings shall be compared, with the procedure continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. If a group of common opponents finished tied, use each team's collective record against the tied common opponents as a group.

 

If more than two teams remain tied, the team with the highest ranking in the final BCS standings shall be the BCS representative.

 

If more than two teams remain tied, the team most recently earning a Rose Bowl or BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.

 

 

Since UCLA lost to Arizona, they are out and USC wins the head-up between them and Oregon, meaning that USC will win regardless of the UCLA outcome...unless Oregon losses and UCLA wins, then UCLA will win outright.

[Derwood]

All the merchandise here says Big 10 Champs. No talk (or griping) about co- anything. Fans here are thrilled not to be 4-7 again...

[TruffleShuffle]

And now a PSU team that wins the BCS spot may get passed over for OSU as the first choice for a bowl? PSU is getting jobbed in this whole thing.

 

I really don't care. Most people around here consider us the Big Ten champs, and really, if you get the automatic bid from your conference by way of a head-to-head victory, you have good reason to think that. Most people at O$U probably don't think of them as Big Ten champs because they could end up going to the Crapital One Bowl. As for where PSU goes, I really don't care. To be honest, I think the Orange Bowl is idiotic for choosing O$U over Penn State. Penn State is the #3 BCS team, won the head-to-head matchup, is a prestigious program returning to national prominence and has a legendary coach who was written off last year. There's more interest in PSU than O$U this year.

 

I have a feeling that the Fiesta Bowl-Orange Bowl dealings will be kind of a "you scratch our backs this year, we'll scratch your backs another year" type of thing. The Notre Dame-Penn State matchup will have mega-ratings, probably the best of any non-championship BCS game in history, I'm guessing.

[Derwood]

And now a PSU team that wins the BCS spot may get passed over for OSU as the first choice for a bowl? PSU is getting jobbed in this whole thing.

 

I really don't care. Most people around here consider us the Big Ten champs, and really, if you get the automatic bid from your conference by way of a head-to-head victory, you have good reason to think that. Most people at O$U probably don't think of them as Big Ten champs because they could end up going to the Crapital One Bowl. As for where PSU goes, I really don't care. To be honest, I think the Orange Bowl is idiotic for choosing O$U over Penn State. Penn State is the #3 BCS team, won the head-to-head matchup, is a prestigious program returning to national prominence and has a legendary coach who was written off last year. There's more interest in PSU than O$U this year.

 

I have a feeling that the Fiesta Bowl-Orange Bowl dealings will be kind of a "you scratch our backs this year, we'll scratch your backs another year" type of thing. The Notre Dame-Penn State matchup will have mega-ratings, probably the best of any non-championship BCS game in history, I'm guessing.

 

Exactly. Plus, PSU historically draws great ratings and has fans who will travel anywhere. Local paper said that the alumni association has already had over 1000 calls from people interested in the organized bowl game trip, and that's just locally.

 

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

[Jon]

The new BCS

25 Northwestern

Thank you, strength of schedule.

[Jon]

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

Psht. PSU is the only Big Ten school with fewer alumni in the Chicago area than Northwestern.

 

So there.

[adamb0719]

And now a PSU team that wins the BCS spot may get passed over for OSU as the first choice for a bowl? PSU is getting jobbed in this whole thing.

 

I really don't care. Most people around here consider us the Big Ten champs, and really, if you get the automatic bid from your conference by way of a head-to-head victory, you have good reason to think that. Most people at O$U probably don't think of them as Big Ten champs because they could end up going to the Crapital One Bowl. As for where PSU goes, I really don't care. To be honest, I think the Orange Bowl is idiotic for choosing O$U over Penn State. Penn State is the #3 BCS team, won the head-to-head matchup, is a prestigious program returning to national prominence and has a legendary coach who was written off last year. There's more interest in PSU than O$U this year.

 

I have a feeling that the Fiesta Bowl-Orange Bowl dealings will be kind of a "you scratch our backs this year, we'll scratch your backs another year" type of thing. The Notre Dame-Penn State matchup will have mega-ratings, probably the best of any non-championship BCS game in history, I'm guessing.

 

Exactly. Plus, PSU historically draws great ratings and has fans who will travel anywhere. Local paper said that the alumni association has already had over 1000 calls from people interested in the organized bowl game trip, and that's just locally.

 

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

 

ESPN was full of people calling in who were OSU fans, and bragging about winning the Big 10. There merchandise says Big 10 champs as well. Those are what led to my question.

 

PSU/ND would be a huge game for the Fiesta Bowl. I agree Truffle they would probably see more money for that game than they ever have for a non-Championship game. I was unsure at first about it, since they play next year, but now I am getting excited at the prospect of this happening.

[Derwood]

What bowl comittee wouldn't want to pit the two teams who made huge comebacks this year after several years of bad teams? Notre Dame vs. Penn State harkens back to some of the best college football games I've ever seen (back in the mid to late 80's and early 90's)

[Derwood]

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

Psht. PSU is the only Big Ten school with fewer alumni in the Chicago area than Northwestern.

 

So there.

 

I'm surprised it's not more than NU, since PSU has 40,000+ students on main campus alone (plus over a dozen sattelite campuses) while NU has 6,500.

[EricG]

The Arizona-Arizona State game is on Friday. Kind of a neat tradition of playing the day after Thanksgiving every year. ASU needs a win to become bowl eligible.

[cubweiser03]

You wanna know something else that is screwy about the bcs. If the Rose Bowl wasnt the game to determine the national championship, we would know exactly where penn state is playing. The Rose Bowl. Michigan was big ten champs last year, well co-champs, but by way of head to head verse Iowa they got the automatic bid to the Rose Bowl.

[Andy]

What bowl comittee wouldn't want to pit the two teams who made huge comebacks this year after several years of bad teams? Notre Dame vs. Penn State harkens back to some of the best college football games I've ever seen (back in the mid to late 80's and early 90's)

Absolutely. Snow Bowl memories all over again. One of my very first ND memories is Mirer-to-Reggie Brooks for the game winning 2 point conversion in that game. Amazing.

[goonys evil twin]

What bowl comittee wouldn't want to pit the two teams who made huge comebacks this year after several years of bad teams? Notre Dame vs. Penn State harkens back to some of the best college football games I've ever seen (back in the mid to late 80's and early 90's)

 

A bowl committee that is interested in drawing in crowds and ratings from different parts of the country.

 

PSU/ND is a good football game, but the big bowls typically try and get something other than a regional matchup. I think they'd rather see PSU or ND face a west coast or southern team if at all possible.

[adamb0719]

What bowl comittee wouldn't want to pit the two teams who made huge comebacks this year after several years of bad teams? Notre Dame vs. Penn State harkens back to some of the best college football games I've ever seen (back in the mid to late 80's and early 90's)

 

A bowl committee that is interested in drawing in crowds and ratings from different parts of the country.

 

PSU/ND is a good football game, but the big bowls typically try and get something other than a regional matchup. I think they'd rather see PSU or ND face a west coast or southern team if at all possible.

 

I thought PSU had a pretty large national crowd, due to the size of the alumni. A lot more than Oregon at least

[Jon]

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

Psht. PSU is the only Big Ten school with fewer alumni in the Chicago area than Northwestern.

 

So there.

I'm surprised it's not more than NU, since PSU has 40,000+ students on main campus alone (plus over a dozen sattelite campuses) while NU has 6,500.

I'd expect that to change in the near future when PSU is more established in the Big Ten. Then I'd think you'd see a rise in the # of Chicago-area students going there.

[Derwood]

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

Psht. PSU is the only Big Ten school with fewer alumni in the Chicago area than Northwestern.

 

So there.

I'm surprised it's not more than NU, since PSU has 40,000+ students on main campus alone (plus over a dozen sattelite campuses) while NU has 6,500.

I'd expect that to change in the near future when PSU is more established in the Big Ten. Then I'd think you'd see a rise in the # of Chicago-area students going there.

 

I meant there are more PSU alumni living in Chicago, not that there are more kids from Chicago going to PSU

[Jon]

I'm pretty sure that PSU is #1 (or close to it) in # of alumni in this country. It's pretty astounding

Psht. PSU is the only Big Ten school with fewer alumni in the Chicago area than Northwestern.

 

So there.

I'm surprised it's not more than NU, since PSU has 40,000+ students on main campus alone (plus over a dozen sattelite campuses) while NU has 6,500.

I'd expect that to change in the near future when PSU is more established in the Big Ten. Then I'd think you'd see a rise in the # of Chicago-area students going there.

 

I meant there are more PSU alumni living in Chicago, not that there are more kids from Chicago going to PSU

Right, but they're related. I'd have to believe that the Big Ten schools have an advantage when attracting students from Chicago. The longer PSU is in the Big Ten, the percentage of kids going to PSU from Chicago is probably going to go up. Many, if not most, will move back after graduation and increase the number of alumni in the Chicago area.

 

The more I think about it, the more I want the Wildcats to head to the Music City Bowl. Nashville would attract a lot more NU fans than El Paso and I could probably make the drive down there. Not sure if the SEC would be able to send a team (and thankfully it won't be Tennessee), but I don't want to face a Pac-10 team at the Sun Bowl. Cal would be okay, I guess, but I think we could handle an at-large team like Virginia.

[Careless]

speaking of the snow bowl, they showed a stat last week that had 45 punts in the game... I simply can't believe that. If the entire game was nothing but 3-outs, that would mean 180 plays. 180 plays on a day where there were almost no passes thrown.

[Jon]

speaking of the snow bowl, they showed a stat last week that had 45 punts in the game... I simply can't believe that. If the entire game was nothing but 3-outs, that would mean 180 plays. 180 plays on a day where there were almost no passes thrown.

Yeah, that was something. Wasn't the only TD on a blocked punt?

[NewUserName]

to everyone except the Big Ten office and OSU, Penn st is the big ten champs. I really dont want to dispute that PSU has the largest alumni, but I always thought that Michigan bragged about having the largest alumni in the world or something

[adamb0719]

speaking of the snow bowl, they showed a stat last week that had 45 punts in the game... I simply can't believe that. If the entire game was nothing but 3-outs, that would mean 180 plays. 180 plays on a day where there were almost no passes thrown.

Yeah, that was something. Wasn't the only TD on a blocked punt?

 

There were 3 TD's. Two by PSU and one by ND. PSU had the extra point blocked on their first TD. Both of PSU's came of off turnovers (Irv Smith fumble, and Mirer int). The game also had one of the most impressive goal line stands I can remember when PSU had the ball 1st and goal on the 1 and ND held them.

[Careless]

speaking of the snow bowl, they showed a stat last week that had 45 punts in the game... I simply can't believe that. If the entire game was nothing but 3-outs, that would mean 180 plays. 180 plays on a day where there were almost no passes thrown.

Yeah, that was something. Wasn't the only TD on a blocked punt?

 

There were 3 TD's. Two by PSU and one by ND. PSU had the extra point blocked on their first TD. Both of PSU's came of off turnovers (Irv Smith fumble, and Mirer int). The game also had one of the most impressive goal line stands I can remember when PSU had the ball 1st and goal on the 1 and ND held them.

? Michigan beat OSU 9-3

oh, I found this just now

"Teams routinely punted on first, second and third downs in hopes of winning the field position battle."

[adamb0719]

speaking of the snow bowl, they showed a stat last week that had 45 punts in the game... I simply can't believe that. If the entire game was nothing but 3-outs, that would mean 180 plays. 180 plays on a day where there were almost no passes thrown.

Yeah, that was something. Wasn't the only TD on a blocked punt?

 

There were 3 TD's. Two by PSU and one by ND. PSU had the extra point blocked on their first TD. Both of PSU's came of off turnovers (Irv Smith fumble, and Mirer int). The game also had one of the most impressive goal line stands I can remember when PSU had the ball 1st and goal on the 1 and ND held them.

? Michigan beat OSU 9-3

oh, I found this just now

"Teams routinely punted on first, second and third downs in hopes of winning the field position battle."

 

I was referring to the ND/PSU snow bowl that NDistops mentioned in regards to a PSU/ND match-up. Were you talking about something else? Perhaps so if it was 45 punts in a game. I just noticed that. Didn't know there was a OSU/UM game dubbed the snow bowl as well. :-k