If Carlos Delgado Gets Traded to the Yankees...

[HoopsCubs]

... then is there any possibility that the Yankees might trade Gary Sheffield and/or would they slow down their effort to land Brian Giles?

 

Just looking to see if there is angle here for the Cubs to address RF.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2229919

 

"The three teams interested in Delgado are the Orioles, Mets and Yankees."

[RynoRules]

I dunno. I think George is out to burn and pillage this year, no matter the rumors that they are cutting payroll. I could see him trading whatever he has (based on what I have read, it ain't much) to get Delgado, and inking Giles, without dealing Sheff. That would make that lineup ridiculous:

 

1B Delgado

2B Cano

SS Jeter

3B ARod

C Posada

RF Sheff

CF Matsui

LF Giles

DH Giambi

 

That could be as good the Yankees of the 1920s.

[USSoccer]

... then is there any possibility that the Yankees might trade Gary Sheffield and/or would they slow down their effort to land Brian Giles?

 

Just looking to see if there is angle here for the Cubs to address RF.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2229919

 

"The three teams interested in Delgado are the Orioles, Mets and Yankees."

 

Sheffield is a player I'm not keen on. We'd almost have to give him an extension to shut him up once he was here, and if Hendry is leery of giving Giles years and money, why would he give an even older player years and money?

[RockTheIvy]

I have to imagine both the Orioles and the Mets could put together better proposals than the Yankees. I think if they were to land Delgado, they might try to go after a cheaper CF option, rather than Giles.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Sheffield is available, I'd love to ask the Yankees to be able to ask him his feelings on playing in Chicago. If Sheff wanted to come to the Cubs, I'd love to have him. Slot in fourth between Lee and Ramirez and you'd be pressed to find a more potent 3-5 in the National League.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

[frostwyrm]

The most interesting question to me is how serious the Yanks are about acquiring both Damon and Giles. Getting both those guys definitely puts Sheffield on the open market.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

[CubfaninCA]

There's a better chance of Giles being in Cub blue than Sheff. I doubt the organization wants any part of Sheffield.

 

If the Yankees get Delgado & Giles, they still won't win the World Series w/ that thin rotation. George needs to go back to what won in the late 90's, pitching.

[RynoRules]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

Exactly. Who cares if the rest of the team thinks he's a grumpy jacka**. "Chemistry" doesn't really exist; its a misnomer; not quantifiable. Most of the team thought Sammy was a jacka** at the end, and they won plenty. :wink:

 

I would take Sheff in spite of the fact that, based on his actions, I think he's an egomaniac and a liar (paraphrase: "Bonds gave me the stuff to rub on my leg but I didn't ask or know what it was.". :roll: )

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

[rawaction]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

 

I'm sure he is a whiner, but if he produces....who cares? We put up with it from Moises for 3 years. Also, Sheff was really young back then. He doesn't have much of a career left to waste away by purposefully screwing up. And he already has the steroid controversy hanging in the way of his Hall of Fame consideration.

 

That being said, I think he would play well for the Cubs, albeit while being very disgruntled while doing it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

 

For the record, here's the final record and standings of the last five teams Sheffield has played for:

 

05 Yankees: 95-67 (1st AL East)

04 Yankees: 101-61 (1st in AL East)

03 Braves: 101-61 (1st NL East)

02 Braves: 101-59 (1st in NL East)

01 Dodgers: 88-76 (3rd in NL West)

 

There's 4 first place finishes out of five. Now, they either won because of him, with him, or inspite of him....but it definitely doesn't appear that having Sheffield affected his team mates or caused enough of a rumble to affect their ability to win. There's also three 100+ win teams in that group.

 

That leads me to say, either:

1. Sheff isn't the malcontent he's made out to me.

2. It doesn't affect tram performance.

[rawaction]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

 

For the record, here's the final record and standings of the last five teams Sheffield has played for:

 

05 Yankees: 95-67 (1st AL East)

04 Yankees: 101-61 (1st in AL East)

03 Braves: 101-61 (1st NL East)

02 Braves: 101-59 (1st in NL East)

01 Dodgers: 88-76 (3rd in NL West)

 

There's 4 first place finishes out of five. Now, they either won because of him, with him, or inspite of him....but it definitely doesn't appear that having Sheffield affected his team mates or caused enough of a rumble to affect their ability to win. There's also three 100+ win teams in that group.

 

That leads me to say, either:

1. Sheff isn't the malcontent he's made out to me.

2. It doesn't affect tram performance.

 

What were all those teams records before and since Sheffield? Atlanta hasn't suffered much, the Yanks were actually better BEFORE he got there, and LA has at least had as much success as anyone else in the NL not in Atlanta, St. Louis, and now Houston.

 

That just leads me to say that:

1. He's played on some very good teams for very good franchises.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

 

For the record, here's the final record and standings of the last five teams Sheffield has played for:

 

05 Yankees: 95-67 (1st AL East)

04 Yankees: 101-61 (1st in AL East)

03 Braves: 101-61 (1st NL East)

02 Braves: 101-59 (1st in NL East)

01 Dodgers: 88-76 (3rd in NL West)

 

There's 4 first place finishes out of five. Now, they either won because of him, with him, or inspite of him....but it definitely doesn't appear that having Sheffield affected his team mates or caused enough of a rumble to affect their ability to win. There's also three 100+ win teams in that group.

 

That leads me to say, either:

1. Sheff isn't the malcontent he's made out to me.

2. It doesn't affect tram performance.

 

You're reasoning from the whole to the part, which is not a logical argument.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

 

For the record, here's the final record and standings of the last five teams Sheffield has played for:

 

05 Yankees: 95-67 (1st AL East)

04 Yankees: 101-61 (1st in AL East)

03 Braves: 101-61 (1st NL East)

02 Braves: 101-59 (1st in NL East)

01 Dodgers: 88-76 (3rd in NL West)

 

There's 4 first place finishes out of five. Now, they either won because of him, with him, or inspite of him....but it definitely doesn't appear that having Sheffield affected his team mates or caused enough of a rumble to affect their ability to win. There's also three 100+ win teams in that group.

 

That leads me to say, either:

1. Sheff isn't the malcontent he's made out to me.

2. It doesn't affect tram performance.

 

You're reasoning from the whole to the part, which is not a logical argument.

 

What I'm reasoning is that Sheffield hasn't kept his teams from winning. I'm not arguing that they became good because of Sheffield. Yes, all were good before he got there. But his antics, if there truly are in, didn't have much effect on his teams ability to win games.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Why do people (not you, vance) keep bringing up sheff to Chicago? he threw a massive tantrum last year when there were just rumors of him being traded. i'd rather not have him dropping balls on purpose.

 

he's a solid player, but the guy has a real attitude problem. i can see hendry getting Bradley way before sheffield. the former only has an attitude problem. the latter has that and a large salary.

 

I don't think Sheff would drop balls on purpose. He wants to win. On the other hand, I'd rather not have a disgruntled Sheff.

 

In spite of Sheff's problems, they have never gotten in the way of winning.

 

my bad. he didn't drop balls. he threw them away b/c he didn't like his team/city (Milwaukee). purposefully committing errors. yeah, that's a real winner. yes, sheffield's problems have gotten in the way of winning.

 

he's always been a whiner and a complainer. he tanks plays on purpose. what about that man's actions suggest that he is anything different from the spoiled child with a monster paycheck he was in Milwaukee?

 

For the record, here's the final record and standings of the last five teams Sheffield has played for:

 

05 Yankees: 95-67 (1st AL East)

04 Yankees: 101-61 (1st in AL East)

03 Braves: 101-61 (1st NL East)

02 Braves: 101-59 (1st in NL East)

01 Dodgers: 88-76 (3rd in NL West)

 

There's 4 first place finishes out of five. Now, they either won because of him, with him, or inspite of him....but it definitely doesn't appear that having Sheffield affected his team mates or caused enough of a rumble to affect their ability to win. There's also three 100+ win teams in that group.

 

That leads me to say, either:

1. Sheff isn't the malcontent he's made out to me.

2. It doesn't affect tram performance.

 

You're reasoning from the whole to the part, which is not a logical argument.

 

What I'm reasoning is that Sheffield hasn't kept his teams from winning. I'm not arguing that they became good because of Sheffield. Yes, all were good before he got there. But his antics, if there truly are in, didn't have much effect on his teams ability to win games.

 

Are the Cubs a good team now? It's a different situation. Bringing in Sheffield to a good team that can cover for his temper tantrums with superior play isn't going to happen in Chicago. The data you gave can have any number of explanations. Maybe those teams Sheffield played for were so good that even Sheffield's tantrums couldn't make them lose.

 

His attitude certainly isn't a plus.

[USSoccer]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

 

Sheff only has one year left on his deal, so the risk isn't as great as it is with Giles.

[USSoccer]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

 

Sheff only has one year left on his deal, so the risk isn't as great as it is with Giles.

 

He's going to want an extension to shut him up.

[RynoRules]

I personally like Sheff as a better option than Giles based on the fact that he has one year left on his deal. True, we'd have to give up a couple of players to get him, but I think that risk is worth taking when you compare the risk of giving Giles a multi-year deal.

 

I also think that his "antics" have been emphasized in NY b/c, well, its NY. The same could be said for when he was in LA. I heard very little about him while he was in Atl. I dunno if Chi. compares to NY and LA. I think its some where in the middle, though recently it seems to be creeping closer...

 

Anyway, check out this production:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sheffga01.shtml

[RynoRules]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

 

Sheff only has one year left on his deal, so the risk isn't as great as it is with Giles.

 

He's going to want an extension to shut him up.

 

Nah, just give extra cash and a condo in Lincoln Park. :wink:

[HoopsCubs]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

 

Sheff only has one year left on his deal, so the risk isn't as great as it is with Giles.

 

He's going to want an extension to shut him up.

 

Just pick up Gary's 2007 option, and call it a day. Despite his age, I see nothing in his numbers to indicate that he can't be productive for 2 more seasons. Wood and Maddux will hopefully be off the payroll in 2007 anyway.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

 

Sheff only has one year left on his deal, so the risk isn't as great as it is with Giles.

 

He's going to want an extension to shut him up.

 

That's just speculation at this point.

[USSoccer]

The main issue is that if Hendry doesn't want to pay a 37 yr old Giles big money at the end of a contract, why would he pay Sheffield big money when he's going to be even older at the end of his deal?

 

Sheff only has one year left on his deal, so the risk isn't as great as it is with Giles.

 

He's going to want an extension to shut him up.

 

That's just speculation at this point.

 

Wasn't that what he said around June when the first rumors came out?