2005-06 College Basketball Thread

[XZero771679666304]

mckinney leaves mizzou without a braggin' rights victory, boy, am i glad he didn't commit to the illini.

 

anyway, augie and dee looked amazing, randle was all over but made some odd decisions at times, mcbride showed some handles, finally, and smith impressed everyone with his range. arnold played well, too. great win for the illini. pruitt played horribly, though.

 

did anyone catch raftery's IB shoutout? "Brumby diggin' it in Champaign"?

 

maybe Tim can get a daily NSBB shoutout from Len.

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Agreed about MSU. Their defense hasn't been impressive, and they aren't going to rack up points aganst the Illini. If they don't hold Illinois under 65 points, they will lose. I'll bet on it.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

 

At this juncture McKinney is like the 6th best player on the team. I can't wait for Morrison to take his starting spot next year, so that we have a shooting guard who *gasp* makes shots.

 

Michigan State will be ready for U of I. I like their chances, especially since the game is during winter break and the crowd likely won't be as raucous.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

 

At this juncture McKinney is like the 6th best player on the team. I can't wait for Morrison to take his starting spot next year, so that we have a shooting guard who *gasp* makes shots.

 

Michigan State will be ready for U of I. I like their chances, especially since the game is during winter break and the crowd likely won't be as raucous.

 

i don't know, could be another drubbing, which has been the trend lately.

[rawaction]

I just decided that Ohio State is gonna win the Big Ten. They are good. Gonna get the best recruiting class next year. They scare me. They are a bad matchup for many teams in the conference.

[Mizzou]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

 

Ha! I wasn't aware of that. Mckinney sucks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I just decided that Ohio State is gonna win the Big Ten. They are good. Gonna get the best recruiting class next year. They scare me. They are a bad matchup for many teams in the conference.

 

They're enormously dependent on their outside shooting, which has been great so far, and partly a function of them playing a pretty weak schedule. Teams like MSU, IU, and Illinois that have big men to contain Dials won't have to collapse as much on him and give them the threes. They're a step down in the conference IMO, with Wisconsin and maybe UM. IU is similar with their hot outside shooting helping to carry them, but they have more depth on the interior, and more talent overall. FWIW, I think MSU is the best team in the B10 this year, but they probably won't win it because their conference schedule is insane compared to some of the other contenders.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

 

Ha! I wasn't aware of that. Mckinney sucks.

 

i think every player that's ever played under quiny has underachieved, i can't think of one player who he has coached that's fulfilled their potential, not one.

 

EDIT: okay, so kleiza was good.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

 

Ha! I wasn't aware of that. Mckinney sucks.

 

i think every player that's ever played under quiny has underachieved, i can't think of one player who he has coached that's fulfilled their potential, not one.

 

EDIT: okay, so kleiza was good.

 

He got out while there was still time. Please come out of retirement Mr. Majerus.

Edited December 22, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Magnetic Curses]

I just decided that Ohio State is gonna win the Big Ten. They are good. Gonna get the best recruiting class next year. They scare me. They are a bad matchup for many teams in the conference.

 

They're enormously dependent on their outside shooting, which has been great so far, and partly a function of them playing a pretty weak schedule. Teams like MSU, IU, and Illinois that have big men to contain Dials won't have to collapse as much on him and give them the threes. They're a step down in the conference IMO, with Wisconsin and maybe UM. IU is similar with their hot outside shooting helping to carry them, but they have more depth on the interior, and more talent overall. FWIW, I think MSU is the best team in the B10 this year, but they probably won't win it because their conference schedule is insane compared to some of the other contenders.

 

i think illinois will win it again, bruce doesn't lose many B10 games.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I just decided that Ohio State is gonna win the Big Ten. They are good. Gonna get the best recruiting class next year. They scare me. They are a bad matchup for many teams in the conference.

 

They're enormously dependent on their outside shooting, which has been great so far, and partly a function of them playing a pretty weak schedule. Teams like MSU, IU, and Illinois that have big men to contain Dials won't have to collapse as much on him and give them the threes. They're a step down in the conference IMO, with Wisconsin and maybe UM. IU is similar with their hot outside shooting helping to carry them, but they have more depth on the interior, and more talent overall. FWIW, I think MSU is the best team in the B10 this year, but they probably won't win it because their conference schedule is insane compared to some of the other contenders.

 

i think illinois will win it again, bruce doesn't lose many B10 games.

 

I'm anxious to see how U of I does against teams that have some dynamite players. They've played some teams that are pretty good like UNC, Oregon, and to a lesser extent Georgetown and Xavier. But they haven't faced anyone that has a player or players that are the same caliber of the Davises, the Agers, the Killingsworths, the Dialses of the B10. They may be up to the challenge, they're well coached and have talent, but if I had to bet I'd say that they struggle in those games against the best players in the league. Still doesn't mean they won't win the B10 though, because they're going to handle Wisconsin, Minnesota, UM and the like very well, while those are trap games for other top flight B10 schools.

[Magnetic Curses]

I just decided that Ohio State is gonna win the Big Ten. They are good. Gonna get the best recruiting class next year. They scare me. They are a bad matchup for many teams in the conference.

 

They're enormously dependent on their outside shooting, which has been great so far, and partly a function of them playing a pretty weak schedule. Teams like MSU, IU, and Illinois that have big men to contain Dials won't have to collapse as much on him and give them the threes. They're a step down in the conference IMO, with Wisconsin and maybe UM. IU is similar with their hot outside shooting helping to carry them, but they have more depth on the interior, and more talent overall. FWIW, I think MSU is the best team in the B10 this year, but they probably won't win it because their conference schedule is insane compared to some of the other contenders.

 

i think illinois will win it again, bruce doesn't lose many B10 games.

 

I'm anxious to see how U of I does against teams that have some dynamite players. They've played some teams that are pretty good like UNC, Oregon, and to a lesser extent Georgetown and Xavier. But they haven't faced anyone that has a player or players that are the same caliber of the Davises, the Agers, the Killingsworths, the Dialses of the B10. They may be up to the challenge, they're well coached and have talent, but if I had to bet I'd say that they struggle in those games against the best players in the league. Still doesn't mean they won't win the B10 though, because they're going to handle Wisconsin, Minnesota, UM and the like very well, while those are trap games for other top flight B10 schools.

 

you're forgetting that illinois has some pretty talented players as well.

[Mizzou]

Yeah that was pretty sweet. Pruitt just looks lost sometimes. Randle was solid sans his passing early. I mean he missed some shots, but he isn;t a shooter. McKinney is great. They are still better than illinois and he is still better than dee, just ask him. We are gonna roll on MSU we play this thing called defense and even Izzo will admit if the Spartans don;t start playing some they will underacheive all year.

 

Huh?

 

i think mckinney said something along those lines last season, after the illini beat them in the braggin' rights game.

 

Ha! I wasn't aware of that. Mckinney sucks.

 

i think every player that's ever played under quiny has underachieved, i can't think of one player who he has coached that's fulfilled their potential, not one.

 

EDIT: okay, so kleiza was good.

 

I disagree. I'd say Rush, Paulding, and Arthur Johnson all did. Maybe Clarence Gilbert too.

[Mark_R]

Malik Hairston is a legitimate NBA lottery prospect whether he wants to come out after his sophomore or junior season and the Illini held him to a mere 12 points in Portland.

 

I cannot fathom why Rich is still starting over Jamar Smith, btw. I wasn't impressed with Jamar early, but he's come on real strong ever since I doubted him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I just decided that Ohio State is gonna win the Big Ten. They are good. Gonna get the best recruiting class next year. They scare me. They are a bad matchup for many teams in the conference.

 

They're enormously dependent on their outside shooting, which has been great so far, and partly a function of them playing a pretty weak schedule. Teams like MSU, IU, and Illinois that have big men to contain Dials won't have to collapse as much on him and give them the threes. They're a step down in the conference IMO, with Wisconsin and maybe UM. IU is similar with their hot outside shooting helping to carry them, but they have more depth on the interior, and more talent overall. FWIW, I think MSU is the best team in the B10 this year, but they probably won't win it because their conference schedule is insane compared to some of the other contenders.

 

i think illinois will win it again, bruce doesn't lose many B10 games.

 

I'm anxious to see how U of I does against teams that have some dynamite players. They've played some teams that are pretty good like UNC, Oregon, and to a lesser extent Georgetown and Xavier. But they haven't faced anyone that has a player or players that are the same caliber of the Davises, the Agers, the Killingsworths, the Dialses of the B10. They may be up to the challenge, they're well coached and have talent, but if I had to bet I'd say that they struggle in those games against the best players in the league. Still doesn't mean they won't win the B10 though, because they're going to handle Wisconsin, Minnesota, UM and the like very well, while those are trap games for other top flight B10 schools.

 

you're forgetting that illinois has some pretty talented players as well.

 

Eh?

 

They have some talented players no doubt. But with the way Brown's performed to date, they don't have anyone playing at the level that Davis or Killingsworth or Ager have.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Malik Hairston is a legitimate NBA lottery prospect whether he wants to come out after his sophomore or junior season and the Illini held him to a mere 12 points in Portland.

 

I cannot fathom why Rich is still starting over Jamar Smith, btw. I wasn't impressed with Jamar early, but he's come on real strong ever since I doubted him.

 

Hairston's only averaging 15 a game.

[Magnetic Curses]

Eh?

 

They have some talented players no doubt. But with the way Brown's performed to date, they don't have anyone playing at the level that Davis or Killingsworth or Ager have.

 

last time i checked, dee was still the reigning B10 poy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Eh?

 

They have some talented players no doubt. But with the way Brown's performed to date, they don't have anyone playing at the level that Davis or Killingsworth or Ager have.

 

last time i checked, dee was still the reigning B10 poy.

 

C'mon, you're smart enough to know awards like that don't mean anything, especially when they are playing the year after. Would Brown win that award right now for the year to date? Would he be in the top 5?

[Magnetic Curses]

Eh?

 

They have some talented players no doubt. But with the way Brown's performed to date, they don't have anyone playing at the level that Davis or Killingsworth or Ager have.

 

last time i checked, dee was still the reigning B10 poy.

 

C'mon, you're smart enough to know awards like that don't mean anything, especially when they are playing the year after. Would Brown win that award right now for the year to date? Would he be in the top 5?

 

the big 10 season hasn't even started yet.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Eh?

 

They have some talented players no doubt. But with the way Brown's performed to date, they don't have anyone playing at the level that Davis or Killingsworth or Ager have.

 

last time i checked, dee was still the reigning B10 poy.

 

C'mon, you're smart enough to know awards like that don't mean anything, especially when they are playing the year after. Would Brown win that award right now for the year to date? Would he be in the top 5?

 

the big 10 season hasn't even started yet.

 

So is Brown going to up his play because it's the B10 season? I'm not going to claim a clear memory of last season, but Brown was much better last year before the B10 season. The losses they sustained are real, and it's a very real possibility that because of the lack of Williams and Head around him he won't be able to produce at the same level. Obviously, like I said before, that doesn't doom the Illini at all, but it's worth pointing out that they may struggle with the best players in the conference.

[Mark_R]

Malik Hairston is a legitimate NBA lottery prospect whether he wants to come out after his sophomore or junior season and the Illini held him to a mere 12 points in Portland.

 

I cannot fathom why Rich is still starting over Jamar Smith, btw. I wasn't impressed with Jamar early, but he's come on real strong ever since I doubted him.

 

Hairston's only averaging 15 a game.

 

He's still a legitimate NBA prospect and I wouldn't be shocked to see him averaging 18-20 by season's end. He's an incredible talent.

[Magnetic Curses]

Eh?

 

They have some talented players no doubt. But with the way Brown's performed to date, they don't have anyone playing at the level that Davis or Killingsworth or Ager have.

 

last time i checked, dee was still the reigning B10 poy.

 

C'mon, you're smart enough to know awards like that don't mean anything, especially when they are playing the year after. Would Brown win that award right now for the year to date? Would he be in the top 5?

 

the big 10 season hasn't even started yet.

 

So is Brown going to up his play because it's the B10 season? I'm not going to claim a clear memory of last season, but Brown was much better last year before the B10 season. The losses they sustained are real, and it's a very real possibility that because of the lack of Williams and Head around him he won't be able to produce at the same level. Obviously, like I said before, that doesn't doom the Illini at all, but it's worth pointing out that they may struggle with the best players in the conference.

 

caution, bizarre rant coming (not directed at you, but a disgruntled, visceral rant i've been storing up for some time):

 

what i think is that everyone's excited because they think that they don't have to live under the peasant kings anymore and are licking their chops to get the old blue bloods back at the top of the B10. "anyone but illinois" they tell themselves, "anyone but those flatlanders!" anyone indeed.

 

"dee's no good without head and williams!" they say, "he can't be, look, we have ager and davis!" two players who haven't exactly been adept at beating weber's teams in the past--in fact, they had to get a terrible call at the end of the first half to get their last victory over the illini.

 

"ohhhhh, but indiana has this senior transfer from auburn who's going to absolutely eat them for dinner! if davis and ager can't do it, i know that killingsworth can! come on killingsworth, restore the true royal bloodline to the top of the B10! those filthy brigands from illinois don't deserve to sup at the tables of our hunting dogs, much less the table of the great killingsworth! let me hear you: killingsworth! killingsworth! killingsworth! killingsworth! mendelbaum!"

 

"wait, did you say ohio state? well, not really a member of the good ol' boy network, but they'll do in a pinch. they'll beat illinois before the game even starts when the illini players all soil themselves at the thought of playing oden next season. i also remember that tOSU beat the illini last year on a brilliant last second play that wasn't a fluke at all!"

 

"Even michigan would be acceptable, abrams is back, you know! horton has always been better than brown, dating back to AAU, when horton actually scored some points on dee once!"

 

"gosh darn it, playing under the cruel reign of those commoners in champaign has been brutal the last couple of seasons, when can it be over!? i've never recognized that team as any good anyway, they never had tom izzo or bobby knight as their coach! they've never even won a national title, gasp!"

[Mark_R]

That was even better than your socialism rants, well done Sulley. :wtg:

[Magnetic Curses]

That was even better than your socialism rants, well done Sulley. :wtg:

 

thank you, thank you!

[Andy]

ND beat Niagara last night 80-59 and plays Columbia tomorrow.

 

You may now return to your Big 10 discussion.