Ken Griffey, Jr

[NorthsideAvenger]

It sounds like Junior's days have been numbered since the trade deadline:

 

Like the White Sox, the Astros were close to pulling off a trade for Ken Griffey Jr. during the season, the Houston Chronicle reports.

No word on what would have gone Cincinnati's way, although it's safe to assume some young pitching was involved. The White Sox believed they had a deal in place for Griffey before Reds ownership nixed it. Oct. 21 - 3:29 am et

 

I know alot of people are high on getting Giles, or Adam Dunn (unlikely), but would anybody want to reopen the opportunity to acquire Junior?

 

Junior/Giles are both 35, and I do believe at this stage of their career, Junior still has the "higher" upside in terms of offense. I like Giles, and I would love to get Giles, but I think, getting Junior is more likely then Giles. Giles is the "safer" pick to produce in 06, but I think Junior is WELL-WORTH the risk for 2006.

 

Considering the "paycheck" Junior is making, the Cubs could offer either Rich Hill and/or Jeriome Williams (or Sergio Mitre) and Corey Patterson for Junior. Now the more money they be willing to eat, I would be willing to include either Nolasco or Pinto (and take back Williams). What ya'll think?

 

I don't think the Cubs can go wrong with either player, to be honest.

[RynoRules]

If Griffey is healthy, he's worth as much as Giles, IMO.

 

I admit, however, that this is a big "if".

[Derwood]

In addition, Giles would cost us cash only, while Griffey would cost us players. I think that's a no-brainer.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I loved Griffey back in the day but there is no way I would want him playing for the Cubs next year. He is a walking injury. I mean seriously, he makes Kerry Wood's injury history look like a couple of little bruises. If he were to come in healthly next year, the chances he would stay healthy for the whole year a slim to none.

[Tedward]

In addition, Giles would cost us cash only, while Griffey would cost us players. I think that's a no-brainer.

 

Cash in addition to at the very best our 2nd round draft choice (SD will surely offer arbitration to Giles) depending on any other FA's that we may end up inking this offseason.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

In addition, Giles would cost us cash only, while Griffey would cost us players. I think that's a no-brainer.

 

Cash in addition to at the very best our 2nd round draft choice (SD will surely offer arbitration to Giles) depending on any other FA's that we may end up inking this offseason.

What do you mean our very best 2nd round draft choice? They get the one that we have now. If we somehow get another 2nd round pick we hold on to that.

[goonys evil twin]

I've been open to Griffey talks for a few years, but he's not as good a choice as Giles. Griffey's injury problems are very troublesome, and he's nowhere near Giles in the OBP department, which is this team's biggest need.

[JeffH]

What do you mean our very best 2nd round draft choice? They get the one that we have now. If we somehow get another 2nd round pick we hold on to that.

 

(In my best David Spade voice)

 

It's called the English language. Look into it.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

What do you mean our very best 2nd round draft choice? They get the one that we have now. If we somehow get another 2nd round pick we hold on to that.

 

(In my best David Spade voice)

 

It's called the English language. Look into it.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Tedward]

What do you mean our very best 2nd round draft choice? They get the one that we have now. If we somehow get another 2nd round pick we hold on to that.

 

(In my best David Spade voice)

 

It's called the English language. Look into it.

What is that supposed to mean?

 

Sorry, to confuse.... I should have thrown some comma's in my sentence. Was typing too fast. Our 1st round pick is protected, so signing Giles or Furcal would surely leave us without our 2nd round pick (I'm assuming SD and ATL will offer arbitation to both).

 

Do we have any arbitration hopefulls that could possibly help us net some extra draft picks? I suppose Nomar, and Rusch could net something, but I highly doubt they'll be that high on anyone's wish list (this early in the offseason) that they will end up signing with other teams prior to the arbitration deadline date (believe it's in December).

 

I highly doubt the Cubs will extend arbitration to Nomar, because he'd probably accept it. I guess the Cubs could offer arbitration to Rusch if they are unable to come to an agreement on a contract extension. Unlike Clement's situation last year....I don't see any bonified way to pick up extra draft picks this offseason.

[JeffH]

What is that supposed to mean?

 

It means you either failed to carefully read Tedward's sentence or failed to comprehend it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the former.

 

What he meant is that signing Giles will cost us (other than money) - at the very most - our second round draft choice. It may wind up costing us our third (or fourth, or fifth, etc.) round draft choice if we also sign a free agent (or free agents) ranked higher than Giles. It's kind of a moot point, since, in such a situation, we'd also lose our second round draft choice.

[goonys evil twin]

What is that supposed to mean?

 

It means you either failed to carefully read Tedward's sentence or failed to comprehend it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the former.

 

Actually, it was a poorly phrased sentence with at least one typo. "Failing to read" it was due to the writer, not the reader, and there's no reason for your smartass rip.

[Tedward]

Actually, it was a poorly phrased sentence with at least one typo. "Failing to read" it was due to the writer, not the reader, and there's no reason for your smartass rip.

 

Boy, you just love to get underneath people's skin don't you? Always taking it right to the edge......just without getting too personal.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

What is that supposed to mean?

 

It means you either failed to carefully read Tedward's sentence or failed to comprehend it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the former.

 

What he meant is that signing Giles will cost us (other than money) - at the very most - our second round draft choice. It may wind up costing us our third (or fourth, or fifth, etc.) round draft choice if we also sign a free agent (or free agents) ranked higher than Giles. It's kind of a moot point, since, in such a situation, we'd also lose our second round draft choice.

Apparently I did misread it. That initial remark by you was uncalled for though.

 

Sorry for the confusion Tedward, let's stop this before it goes any further.

Edited October 21, 2005 by burnt out cubbie fan

[goonys evil twin]

Actually, it was a poorly phrased sentence with at least one typo. "Failing to read" it was due to the writer, not the reader, and there's no reason for your smartass rip.

 

Boy, you just love to get underneath people's skin don't you? Always taking it right to the edge......just without getting too personal.

 

I thought it was incredibly rude for him to write what he did, ripping somebody for not being able to understand the sentence. I wasn't trying to pick on you. Lord knows I've written some indecipherable words.

 

But this sentence:

Cash in addition to at the very best our 2nd round draft choice

 

Makes no sense.

I think what was meant is:

Cash in addition to, at the very least, our 2nd round draft choice. "At the very best our 2nd" is very confusing. There was nothing wrong with somebody asking for clarification. There was, however, no need for somebody to try and emulate David Spade in ridicule somebody's comprehension skills.

[wade]

One could argue that there is no need to emulate David Spade no matter the situation.

[brinoch]

Okay, keep it civil everyone. Thanks.

[Jehrico]

If we didn't have so many other injury Q's on the roster next year, maybe. Considering that the MGTs excuse for the bad year revolved around injury problems, I can't see them making a blockbuster move for a guy with Griffey's history.

[goonys evil twin]

If we didn't have so many other injury Q's on the roster next year, maybe. Considering that the MGTs excuse for the bad year revolved around injury problems, I can't see them making a blockbuster move for a guy with Griffey's history.

 

Good point. In 2004 they thought they lost because of chemistry problems and cancers, so they went on an extreme witch hunt to supposedly rid themselves of the problem. In 2005 they think they lost because of injury, so I can't see them taking on risks like that. Which could mean, no attempts with Floyd, Griffey, Nomar, Burnett etc. I could easily see them go after guys based on how many games they think they can play, rather than how productive they will be.

[Blizzau]

It sounds like Junior's days have been numbered since the trade deadline:

 

Considering the "paycheck" Junior is making, the Cubs could offer either Rich Hill and/or Jeriome Williams (or Sergio Mitre) and Corey Patterson for Junior. Now the more money they be willing to eat, I would be willing to include either Nolasco or Pinto (and take back Williams). What ya'll think?

 

 

I believe dealing with Cincinnatti for Griffey is a possibility, but I don't see why they would want Corey Patterson. They already have a logjam in the outfield, and chances are they don't wouldn't want to replace a productive outfielder with one whose OBP didn't even crack deuce and a half (or .250) last season.

 

The more young, talented pitching we offer, the more likely a deal is with Cinci. Perhaps Guzman, Hill, Williams, and Brownlie could get it done. That's a lot to give up, but Junior's stock has risen greatly over the last year.

[BigbadB]

It sounds like Junior's days have been numbered since the trade deadline:

 

Considering the "paycheck" Junior is making, the Cubs could offer either Rich Hill and/or Jeriome Williams (or Sergio Mitre) and Corey Patterson for Junior. Now the more money they be willing to eat, I would be willing to include either Nolasco or Pinto (and take back Williams). What ya'll think?

 

 

I believe dealing with Cincinnatti for Griffey is a possibility, but I don't see why they would want Corey Patterson. They already have a logjam in the outfield, and chances are they don't wouldn't want to replace a productive outfielder with one whose OBP didn't even crack deuce and a half (or .250) last season.

 

The more young, talented pitching we offer, the more likely a deal is with Cinci. Perhaps Guzman, Hill, Williams, and Brownlie could get it done. That's a lot to give up, but Junior's stock has risen greatly over the last year.

 

For that price, they can gladly keep Griffey. It would be horrific to trade Guzman in the same style the Cubs have traded Sosa, Juan Cruz, LaTroy Hawkins and are likely to trade Corey Patterson. The worst time to trade a guy is when his value is at his worst. Guzman is on my untouchable list right now. Not just because he is finally showing signs of being over his injuries, but because no one would offer anything equal to his value IF he were healthy.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I know people here feel Giles is a "better choice" iin 2006 to produce, but let's look at reality, for a moment, there is a strong chance, that given a choice between Chicago and St Louis (two time NLCS entrant, and WS failure) who do you think he choice? Or the Dodgers and the Cubs? The A's or the Cubs?

 

I just think, the Cubs should not put all of their eggs into one basket in terms of Giles. If the Cubs could land Giles, I would love it, but I also believe Giles don't see the Cubs the same way as we do, and that he may see the Cubs as a contender but in a few yrs (time he doesn't have). I rather have Junior, then Floyd (who is coming off a career yr) or any other player mention with the Cubs (Jones?). I still make Giles the priority, but I would definately leave open the opp for Junior.

[goonys evil twin]

I know people here feel Giles is a "better choice" iin 2006 to produce, but let's look at reality, for a moment, there is a strong chance, that given a choice between Chicago and St Louis (two time NLCS entrant, and WS failure) who do you think he choice? Or the Dodgers and the Cubs? The A's or the Cubs?

 

I just think, the Cubs should not put all of their eggs into one basket in terms of Giles. If the Cubs could land Giles, I would love it, but I also believe Giles don't see the Cubs the same way as we do, and that he may see the Cubs as a contender but in a few yrs (time he doesn't have). I rather have Junior, then Floyd (who is coming off a career yr) or any other player mention with the Cubs (Jones?). I still make Giles the priority, but I would definately leave open the opp for Junior.

 

I would never suggest an "all your eggs in one basket" option. Just look at the SS position. No way do I want to see them let Nomar walk and then try and negotiate with Furcal. That would either force their hand to pay an exorbitant amount, or leave them with very little at the position. I think there are several options to look at for RF, Giles just tops the list. If they end up settling for Griffey, then they probably have to go out and get another bat, because he's less reliable than Nomar (with a longer injury history, and being older).