Derek Lee - 100 EXBHs

[sweetpeteman]

wit the dbl tonight, only 2 to go.

[erik316wttn]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

 

Nah. It's the juice. Anytime someone does anything noteworthy over the age of 30, it's because they've been roiding up for years.

[Marco4]

wit the dbl tonight, only 2 to go.

 

Another homer and a triple, please, DLee. Way to go. (Well, why not a triple?)

[CubRock2]

Since nobody's saying it, I will....

 

Why isn't DLee still a viable MVP candidate?

 

Andruw Jones? :roll:

[CuseCubFan69]

Since nobody's saying it, I will....

 

Why isn't DLee still a viable MVP candidate?

 

Andruw Jones? :roll:

 

If he played for the Yanks he'd be bigger than God or The Beatles.

[goonys evil twin]

Since nobody's saying it, I will....

 

Why isn't DLee still a viable MVP candidate?

 

Andruw Jones? :roll:

 

Because most writers don't vote off the avg/obp/slg line, they pay more attention to team stats, like wins and RBI. Conventional wisdom.

[jaydee]

needs 2 more correct?

[sweetpeteman]

needs 2 more correct?

 

1 more:

 

50 duobles, 2 triples, 46 homers = 99 XBH

[Jehrico]

needs 2 more correct?

 

1 more:

 

50 duobles, 2 triples, 46 homers = 99 XBH

 

I think you typo'd that...3 triples, the 99's correct. What better t eam to reach that illustrious platform against than...the astros.

[sweetpeteman]

hopefully with 4 more homers... lol, wont happen, but still.

[Careless]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

 

That -- plus, it's a small sample size.

 

Most of the guys in that earlier era played in incredible favorable conditions for offense. In addition, many of them weren't exactly lousy past 30 -- they just didn't get over 100 XBH at that age. Ruth was great past 30, Foxx won a Triple Crown at 30, Hornsby was amazing past 30, Musial was great in the '50s, Gehrig was great in his 30s until ALS cut him down.

 

 

Greenberg also lost prime years to WWII. And the other guy in that group, Chuck Klein, played in the best hitters park in the league during the best offensive years the MLB has ever seen. (In 1930 the ENTIRE NL hit .303.) He was sort of the Helton of his time, except without the walks.

 

I'm not saying steroids have nothing to do with the numbers of the past decade, just that most of those guys from the past weren't exactly washed up past their 20s.

right plus that was back when baseball was so expanded that everyone was rushed up. no wait that is how it is now. Back then there were what 10 teams a league? A lot less jobs open then, so more guys would be in the minors longer trying to get jobs.

exactly! there aren't many more people in this country plus millions of people in other countries trying to get into the majors now like there were then! People don't want to play baseball now like they did then because the money is crap!

[illiniguy]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

 

That -- plus, it's a small sample size.

 

Most of the guys in that earlier era played in incredible favorable conditions for offense. In addition, many of them weren't exactly lousy past 30 -- they just didn't get over 100 XBH at that age. Ruth was great past 30, Foxx won a Triple Crown at 30, Hornsby was amazing past 30, Musial was great in the '50s, Gehrig was great in his 30s until ALS cut him down.

 

 

Greenberg also lost prime years to WWII. And the other guy in that group, Chuck Klein, played in the best hitters park in the league during the best offensive years the MLB has ever seen. (In 1930 the ENTIRE NL hit .303.) He was sort of the Helton of his time, except without the walks.

 

I'm not saying steroids have nothing to do with the numbers of the past decade, just that most of those guys from the past weren't exactly washed up past their 20s.

right plus that was back when baseball was so expanded that everyone was rushed up. no wait that is how it is now. Back then there were what 10 teams a league? A lot less jobs open then, so more guys would be in the minors longer trying to get jobs.

exactly! there aren't many more people in this country plus millions of people in other countries trying to get into the majors now like there were then! People don't want to play baseball now like they did then because the money is crap!

The only reason I think steroids is because the guys mentioned were Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and Albert Belle being guys who had more than 100 xbh I think it is fair to assume that most would agree on three of these guys being jucieheads. I don;t know about Joey, but with his temper it would make sense.

[TheDude]

Since nobody's saying it, I will....

 

Why isn't DLee still a viable MVP candidate?

 

Andruw Jones? :roll:

 

Because most writers don't vote off the avg/obp/slg line, they pay more attention to team stats, like wins and RBI. Conventional wisdom.

There is taht, and the fact that MVP awards go to players on winning teams traditionally, especially teams that may have had some struggle or highlighted conflict that their superstar player carried them through.

 

Jones will get the NL MVP, because the perception is that he carried his team through all the injuries and served as a role model for the rookies.

 

It ignores the fact that Jones splits with RISP are near Patterson-esque terrible: .209/ .335/ .390 with a .725 OPS. So he has certainly not been "clutch" despite the media hype.

[sonofsamiam]

Since nobody's saying it, I will....

 

Why isn't DLee still a viable MVP candidate?

 

Andruw Jones? :roll:

 

Because most writers don't vote off the avg/obp/slg line, they pay more attention to team stats, like wins and RBI. Conventional wisdom.

There is taht, and the fact that MVP awards go to players on winning teams traditionally, especially teams that may have had some struggle or highlighted conflict that their superstar player carried them through.

 

Jones will get the NL MVP, because the perception is that he carried his team through all the injuries and served as a role model for the rookies.

 

It ignores the fact that Jones splits with RISP are near Patterson-esque terrible: .209/ .335/ .390 with a .725 OPS. So he has certainly not been "clutch" despite the media hype.

 

Exactly. Jones will win it, and it will be a travesty. Honestly, I'd go with Pujols, Lee, and Brian Giles ahead of Jones.

[imb]

Jones will not win the MVP, his last month has been awful.

 

.235 .307 .539

 

In total win shares, Jones is 18th in the NL, and that is including the 6 win shares he gets with his glove. He has fewer hitting win shares than David Eckstein.

 

In Runs Created, Jones is 25th in the NL, behind luminaries like Jimmy Rollins, Brady Clark and Juan "The Don" Encarnacion.

 

Jones will not win the MVP, if he does, it's a steal of Pendleton like proportions.

[sonofsamiam]

Jones will not win the MVP, his last month has been awful.

 

.235 .307 .539

 

In total win shares, Jones is 18th in the NL, and that is including the 6 win shares he gets with his glove. He has fewer hitting win shares than David Eckstein.

 

In Runs Created, Jones is 25th in the NL, behind luminaries like Jimmy Rollins, Brady Clark and Juan "The Don" Encarnacion.

 

Jones will not win the MVP, if he does, it's a steal of Pendleton like proportions.

 

I agree that it will be of Pendleton proportions. I just think all the writers have bought into the hype (mainly from August). And I'd bet that very few of them even know of Win Shares.

 

The other problem is Pujols has not had a huge September -- .310, just 4 HRs and 10 RBI, which are sadly the numbers the majority of writers look at. Jones might be hitting .213 this month, but he's got those 8 HR and 20 RBI, which I bet the writers pay more attention to.

 

I wish the majority of the voters paid attention to Runs Created, Win Shares, WARP2, etc. But much historical evidence shows that they don't, especially when there isn't a "clear-cut" MVP.

 

I predict a lot of 3rd-place votes for D-Lee, btw, with scattered 2nd and 4th place votes, and a few even lower from the "must-play-on-a-winner" contingent.

[hardcorecubfan]

There's a minor leaguer for Anaheim who did it in five months this year.

 

But I'm not sure at the major league level.

brandon wood. Ah I think that Albert Belle did the year he had 50 homers and 50 doubles. actually i am sure he did once I use my calculator. :oops:

 

glad you used your calculator I ran out of fingers