Gotta Hand It to the Cubs

[IlliniAmy]

1. If the Cubs had the same winning percentage against every team that they played as they do against the Cardinals, they'd not only be in first place, they'd have the best record in all of baseball.

 

2. Anyone else find it ironic that now that the Cubs have finally figured out how to win a series at Busch Stadium (II), the Cardinals are going to implode the place?

[vaball]

Well this game came down to a Pujols dropped double play ball. Sure, Mulder should have gotten that third out, but if Pujols doesn't drop that throw from Eck we might have been looking at 1-0 Cardinals and a 4-4 record against the Cubs at Busch this season.

 

I think these games mean more to the Cubs now than to the Cardinals and have since before that last series at Wrigley. The Cubs are totally out of the race and are just playing for pride. A series against the Cards is like their postseason. The Cards are just going through the motions waiting for the playoffs to start.

 

Normally I get all pumped up for a game against the Cubs, and would be pissed after losing to them. But right now I couldn't care less. I'm just twiddling my thumbs until October.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I'd much rather be in the playoffs than win a season series against the Cards. But with this Cubs team, we'll take what we can get.

 

I'm amazed at the lack of bean balls and animosity this year. But I guess there's no point when one team is all but eliminated already.

[K-Town]

I was more interested in how Mulder performed, rather than the actual outcome of the game.

 

Mulder wasn't great, but his results are so much better when he doesn't walk anybody (go figure). As already mentioned, he could have been on track for a 9-inning shutou, if not for a bad break. He now has a 2.31 ERA after the All-Star break, which is pretty much the exact opposite of his performance in 2004. So, that's good news. I wouldn't feel too bad with him and Carpenter going into the post-season as the 1-2 punch.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I was more interested in how Mulder performed, rather than the actual outcome of the game.

 

Mulder wasn't great, but his results are so much better when he doesn't walk anybody (go figure). As already mentioned, he could have been on track for a 9-inning shutou, if not for a bad break. He now has a 2.31 ERA after the All-Star break, which is pretty much the exact opposite of his performance in 2004. So, that's good news. I wouldn't feel too bad with him and Carpenter going into the post-season as the 1-2 punch.

 

You can only keep a pitcher like Mulder down for so long. He's bound to break out and go back to the Cy Young contender form that he had with the A's.

[K-Town]

I was more interested in how Mulder performed, rather than the actual outcome of the game.

 

Mulder wasn't great, but his results are so much better when he doesn't walk anybody (go figure). As already mentioned, he could have been on track for a 9-inning shutou, if not for a bad break. He now has a 2.31 ERA after the All-Star break, which is pretty much the exact opposite of his performance in 2004. So, that's good news. I wouldn't feel too bad with him and Carpenter going into the post-season as the 1-2 punch.

 

You can only keep a pitcher like Mulder down for so long. He's bound to break out and go back to the Cy Young contender form that he had with the A's.

 

I'm still not 100% sold on Mulder. He's definitely not the "ace" that the Cards were hoping for. He's been getting better results lately, but his secondary numbers are still making me nervous. He's a decent #2 right now, but he always seems to be on the verge of a disaster.

[indifferent]

I was more interested in how Mulder performed, rather than the actual outcome of the game.

 

Mulder wasn't great, but his results are so much better when he doesn't walk anybody (go figure). As already mentioned, he could have been on track for a 9-inning shutou, if not for a bad break. He now has a 2.31 ERA after the All-Star break, which is pretty much the exact opposite of his performance in 2004. So, that's good news. I wouldn't feel too bad with him and Carpenter going into the post-season as the 1-2 punch.

 

You can only keep a pitcher like Mulder down for so long. He's bound to break out and go back to the Cy Young contender form that he had with the A's.

 

I'm still not 100% sold on Mulder. He's definitely not the "ace" that the Cards were hoping for. He's been getting better results lately, but his secondary numbers are still making me nervous. He's a decent #2 right now, but he always seems to be on the verge of a disaster.

 

I'm absolutely giddy with Mulder as our 2 man into the playoffs. He's better than any number 2 we had last year. His 3.54 ERA is pretty impressive considering some of the blow outs he's suffered. Now number 3 on the other hand...

[The Voice of Reason]

quote from "vaball"

 

Well this game came down to a Pujols dropped double play ball.

 

Can we officially put those contentions coming from Red Bird fans that Pujols is as good a fielder as Lee to bed now :?:

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

quote from "vaball"

 

Well this game came down to a Pujols dropped double play ball.

 

Can we officially put those contentions coming from Red Bird fans that Pujols is as good a fielder as Lee to bed now :?:

 

Actually, Lee's Gold Glove should've put that to bed, but I don't think you'll get many Cards fans to admit Lee is better than Pujols at anything. (Not all though, so don't jump down my throat if you feel different)

[indifferent]

quote from "vaball"

 

Well this game came down to a Pujols dropped double play ball.

 

Can we officially put those contentions coming from Red Bird fans that Pujols is as good a fielder as Lee to bed now :?:

 

I would concede that. I think most "defense" of Pujols defense is geared toward those that feel Pujols was buried at 1st base because he's a defensive liability. Not true.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

quote from "vaball"

 

Well this game came down to a Pujols dropped double play ball.

 

Can we officially put those contentions coming from Red Bird fans that Pujols is as good a fielder as Lee to bed now :?:

 

I would concede that. I think most "defense" of Pujols defense is geared toward those that feel Pujols was buried at 1st base because he's a defensive liability. Not true.

 

I think that Pujols is actually a very good defender. After watching him more, he's much better than I thought. I just think Lee is slightly better, and that has nothing to do with me being a Cubs fan. (If I had to only pick one of those guys to be on my team, it'd be Pujols in a landslide)

[K-Town]

I was more interested in how Mulder performed, rather than the actual outcome of the game.

 

Mulder wasn't great, but his results are so much better when he doesn't walk anybody (go figure). As already mentioned, he could have been on track for a 9-inning shutou, if not for a bad break. He now has a 2.31 ERA after the All-Star break, which is pretty much the exact opposite of his performance in 2004. So, that's good news. I wouldn't feel too bad with him and Carpenter going into the post-season as the 1-2 punch.

 

You can only keep a pitcher like Mulder down for so long. He's bound to break out and go back to the Cy Young contender form that he had with the A's.

 

I'm still not 100% sold on Mulder. He's definitely not the "ace" that the Cards were hoping for. He's been getting better results lately, but his secondary numbers are still making me nervous. He's a decent #2 right now, but he always seems to be on the verge of a disaster.

 

I'm absolutely giddy with Mulder as our 2 man into the playoffs. He's better than any number 2 we had last year. His 3.54 ERA is pretty impressive considering some of the blow outs he's suffered. Now number 3 on the other hand...

 

I think that #3 is yet to be determined. Whoever cruises through the last month of the season (between Suppan, Morris, and Marquis) will probably get the ball in the playoffs. As of today, it's a dead heat, in my mind.

[K-Town]

quote from "vaball"

 

Well this game came down to a Pujols dropped double play ball.

 

Can we officially put those contentions coming from Red Bird fans that Pujols is as good a fielder as Lee to bed now :?:

 

I would concede that. I think most "defense" of Pujols defense is geared toward those that feel Pujols was buried at 1st base because he's a defensive liability. Not true.

 

I think that Pujols is actually a very good defender. After watching him more, he's much better than I thought. I just think Lee is slightly better, and that has nothing to do with me being a Cubs fan. (If I had to only pick one of those guys to be on my team, it'd be Pujols in a landslide)

 

I'd go along with that. Pujols isn't quite on Lee's level defensively right now, but I'd still rate Pujols as one of the better defensive first basemen in the NL, and with his work ethic, I'll be shocked if he doesn't win a Gold Glove, at some point.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I'd go along with that. Pujols isn't quite on Lee's level defensively right now, but I'd still rate Pujols as one of the better defensive first basemen in the NL, and with his work ethic, I'll be shocked if he doesn't win a Gold Glove, at some point.

 

Pujols will win one eventually. But sadly, I think the Gold Glove has become more about reputation. I can guarantee you that there were years when Maddux won it solely because he's won so many in the past. And Bonds won three in a row when he really probably only deserved one.

[indifferent]

I was more interested in how Mulder performed, rather than the actual outcome of the game.

 

Mulder wasn't great, but his results are so much better when he doesn't walk anybody (go figure). As already mentioned, he could have been on track for a 9-inning shutou, if not for a bad break. He now has a 2.31 ERA after the All-Star break, which is pretty much the exact opposite of his performance in 2004. So, that's good news. I wouldn't feel too bad with him and Carpenter going into the post-season as the 1-2 punch.

 

You can only keep a pitcher like Mulder down for so long. He's bound to break out and go back to the Cy Young contender form that he had with the A's.

 

I'm still not 100% sold on Mulder. He's definitely not the "ace" that the Cards were hoping for. He's been getting better results lately, but his secondary numbers are still making me nervous. He's a decent #2 right now, but he always seems to be on the verge of a disaster.

 

I'm absolutely giddy with Mulder as our 2 man into the playoffs. He's better than any number 2 we had last year. His 3.54 ERA is pretty impressive considering some of the blow outs he's suffered. Now number 3 on the other hand...

 

I think that #3 is yet to be determined. Whoever cruises through the last month of the season (between Suppan, Morris, and Marquis) will probably get the ball in the playoffs. As of today, it's a dead heat, in my mind.

 

I don't think so. Bernie asked LaRussa and Morris is definitely going to be our third starter. He indicated only a complete meltdown would change this. I would much rather see Suppan regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season. My reasoning is you hope to get a dominating start from both Carp and Mulder and Suppan has been the best all year at keeping us in the game consistently (plus he was our best pitcher in postseason last year).

 

Morris' tenure with the Cards gets him the 3rd start in LaRussa's mind unfortunately.

[Derwood]

Yep, the Cubs figured out how to beat the Cards. It was simple, really. Just play them when Rolen, Walker and Sanders are out and Renteria and Matheny are no longer on the team.

[K-Town]

I don't think so. Bernie asked LaRussa and Morris is definitely going to be our third starter. He indicated only a complete meltdown would change this. I would much rather see Suppan regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season. My reasoning is you hope to get a dominating start from both Carp and Mulder and Suppan has been the best all year at keeping us in the game consistently (plus he was our best pitcher in postseason last year).

 

Morris' tenure with the Cards gets him the 3rd start in LaRussa's mind unfortunately.

 

Ugh! :roll:

 

I have NO confidence in Morris. Personally, I'm rooting for the September meltdown.

[K-Town]

Yep, the Cubs figured out how to beat the Cards. It was simple, really. Just play them when Rolen, Walker and Sanders are out and Renteria and Matheny are no longer on the team.

 

Eh. I give the Cubs their due. The Cards have been pretty successful against every other team with the AAAA lineup. The Cubs simply have the Cards' number this year, regardless of who they send out there, it seems like.

[Derwood]

Yep, the Cubs figured out how to beat the Cards. It was simple, really. Just play them when Rolen, Walker and Sanders are out and Renteria and Matheny are no longer on the team.

 

Eh. I give the Cubs their due. The Cards have been pretty successful against every other team with the AAAA lineup. The Cubs simply have the Cards' number this year, regardless of who they send out there, it seems like.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love to see Matt Morris get monkey-spanked every time he faces the Cubs. I'm just questioning whether the Cubs would have such a good record if they weren't pitching to Nunez, Luna and Molina.

[XZero771679666304]

Yep, the Cubs figured out how to beat the Cards. It was simple, really. Just play them when Rolen, Walker and Sanders are out and Renteria and Matheny are no longer on the team.

 

Eh. I give the Cubs their due. The Cards have been pretty successful against every other team with the AAAA lineup. The Cubs simply have the Cards' number this year, regardless of who they send out there, it seems like.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love to see Matt Morris get monkey-spanked every time he faces the Cubs. I'm just questioning whether the Cubs would have such a good record if they weren't pitching to Nunez, Luna and Molina.

 

And his point was that the Cards with Nunez, Luna and Molina have been doing a pretty good number on the rest of the NL, even after the rash of injuries. Either way, I'll take it.

[CuseCubFan69]

"The way Pujols swings a bat I'm sure he'll win a gold glove someday."

 

Raffy

[wekse]

the cubs still suck, heh.

[XZero771679666304]

the cubs still suck, heh.

 

Yeah, beating the Cards is nice, but it has the feel of winning a consolation game in a tournament you thought you had a chance of winning. :cry: