Wagner

[moorecg]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

[Tracer Bullet]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

I don't think I want to throw $24m at Billy either.

[Wild_Cubs04]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

How come CPatt?

 

NM, don't know what I was looking at hehe, 24 mill seems high.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

How come CPatt?

 

NM, don't know what I was looking at hehe, 24 mill seems high.

 

The 3 in conjunction with the 24 is the important part.

 

Remember Remmy. That has a nice ring to it.

[moorecg]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

How come CPatt?

 

NM, don't know what I was looking at hehe, 24 mill seems high.

 

The 3 in conjunction with the 24 is the important part.

 

Remember Remmy. That has a nice ring to it.

 

I think he's worth it...dude is only 34...hasn't had an ERA above 2.5 in 4 years...last three I think the average is under 2.0...

 

Is he the only thing we need? not by a long shot....but he makes it an 8 inning game. Heck...Matt Lawton is getting 7.75 Mill...

 

For Comparision...Rivera is getting 10.5 Mill, Izzy is 8.2, Foulke is getting 7.5, .... 8 for Wagner doesn't seem out of line at all....heck, maybe we could say we couldn't afford Neifi because of the expense.

[dalgreen]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

How come CPatt?

 

NM, don't know what I was looking at hehe, 24 mill seems high.

 

The 3 in conjunction with the 24 is the important part.

 

Remember Remmy. That has a nice ring to it.

 

I think he's worth it...dude is only 34...hasn't had an ERA above 2.5 in 4 years...last three I think the average is under 2.0...

 

Is he the only thing we need? not by a long shot....but he makes it an 8 inning game. Heck...Matt Lawton is getting 7.75 Mill...

 

For Comparision...Rivera is getting 10.5 Mill, Izzy is 8.2, Foulke is getting 7.5, .... 8 for Wagner doesn't seem out of line at all....heck, maybe we could say we couldn't afford Neifi because of the expense.

 

If you use that money on a closer and not on offense, then you'll be paying your closer an average of $8 million for only 20-25 saves a season.

[AAApittsburgh]

How often do FA closers actually work out? I really can't think of anyone who wound up being worth the money.

[YearofDaCubs]

I rather use that money towards signing and OF and SS.

[moorecg]

From what I understand there would still be 22 mill + to go after offense. Which would bring Giles...then you work a trade for another outfield bat Kerns/Dunn/Huff, whoever...and you've still got some money for the other spots...It seems inconcievable to me that this team can't field a very quality club all around for the 100 million or so we'll have to spend.

[YearofDaCubs]

How often do FA closers actually work out? I really can't think of anyone who wound up being worth the money.

Foulke, Wickman, Hermanson, Guardado, Todd Jones, Mesa(pirates), Looper(Mets).

[Electron Blue]

How often do FA closers actually work out? I really can't think of anyone who wound up being worth the money.

Foulke, Wickman, Hermanson, Guardado, Todd Jones, Mesa(pirates), Looper(Mets).

 

Lol, yeah, but for us? :wink:

[moorecg]

How often do FA closers actually work out? I really can't think of anyone who wound up being worth the money.

Foulke, Wickman, Hermanson, Guardado, Todd Jones, Mesa(pirates), Looper(Mets).

 

Lol, yeah, but for us? :wink:

 

Well if that were the criteria then I'd have to say we should stay away from free agent SSs as well.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

How come CPatt?

 

NM, don't know what I was looking at hehe, 24 mill seems high.

 

The 3 in conjunction with the 24 is the important part.

 

Remember Remmy. That has a nice ring to it.

 

I think he's worth it...dude is only 34...hasn't had an ERA above 2.5 in 4 years...last three I think the average is under 2.0...

 

Is he the only thing we need? not by a long shot....but he makes it an 8 inning game. Heck...Matt Lawton is getting 7.75 Mill...

 

For Comparision...Rivera is getting 10.5 Mill, Izzy is 8.2, Foulke is getting 7.5, .... 8 for Wagner doesn't seem out of line at all....heck, maybe we could say we couldn't afford Neifi because of the expense.

 

Look at Remmy's numbers the 3-4 years before we signed him. Age will catch up to Wagner too, especially since he relies on that little body to throw heat.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree with getting some OF/SS help is more important than Wagner for the Cubs at this juncture. Let Wagner go to Texas or Baltimore so the Cubs don't have to face him anymore too.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

ESPN Rumor mill has him asking for a 3 year 24 million dollar contract.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Away from Billy Wagner.

 

How come CPatt?

 

NM, don't know what I was looking at hehe, 24 mill seems high.

 

The 3 in conjunction with the 24 is the important part.

 

Remember Remmy. That has a nice ring to it.

 

I think he's worth it...dude is only 34...hasn't had an ERA above 2.5 in 4 years...last three I think the average is under 2.0...

 

Is he the only thing we need? not by a long shot....but he makes it an 8 inning game. Heck...Matt Lawton is getting 7.75 Mill...

 

For Comparision...Rivera is getting 10.5 Mill, Izzy is 8.2, Foulke is getting 7.5, .... 8 for Wagner doesn't seem out of line at all....heck, maybe we could say we couldn't afford Neifi because of the expense.

 

Look at Remmy's numbers the 3-4 years before we signed him. Age will catch up to Wagner too, especially since he relies on that little body to throw heat.

 

And he's such an injury risk.

 

If the Cubs aren't re-signing Dempster (which I'm sure they will, based on the comments about how he's such a good guy in the clubhouse and given how Hendry likes these high character guys), the only closer I want them to go after is BJ Ryan. From a cost-benefit perspective, it'd be wiser for the Cubs to re-sign Dempster.

[USSoccer]

You sooner go after BJ Ryan than Billy Wagner, but overpaying for bullpen help is a great way to waste money. Relievers are the most unpredictable things ever.

 

Save it for Giles. Save it for extensions for Z, Prior and Ramirez. Keep some in reserve in case you want to trade for a LF midseason next year...

[nilodnayr]

You sooner go after BJ Ryan than Billy Wagner, but overpaying for bullpen help is a great way to waste money. Relievers are the most unpredictable things ever.

 

Save it for Giles. Save it for extensions for Z, Prior and Ramirez. Keep some in reserve in case you want to trade for a LF midseason next year...

 

I did the numbers and we can still afford Giles and Ryan while keeping the payroll around 95M this year. With CF (Pie), LF (Murton), SS (Cedeno), we will have some money to go around when its the pitcher's time to cash in. After 2006, Wood, Maddux, Nomar (assuming they bring him back for another year) will free up another ~25M that should be replaced from within cheaply.

[Backtobanks]

You sooner go after BJ Ryan than Billy Wagner, but overpaying for bullpen help is a great way to waste money. Relievers are the most unpredictable things ever.

 

Save it for Giles. Save it for extensions for Z, Prior and Ramirez. Keep some in reserve in case you want to trade for a LF midseason next year...

 

I did the numbers and we can still afford Giles and Ryan while keeping the payroll around 95M this year. With CF (Pie), LF (Murton), SS (Cedeno), we will have some money to go around when its the pitcher's time to cash in. After 2006, Wood, Maddux, Nomar (assuming they bring him back for another year) will free up another ~25M that should be replaced from within cheaply.

 

I don't know where you have been all year, but if you think Baker is going to start Pie, Murton, and Cedeno then you haven't been paying attention. To tell the truth, I'd be very surprized if one of those three gets significant playing time next year.

[Tedward]

My Delaware News Journal sports page this morning also hinted that a full no trade will accompany the 3 for $24MM rumored deal. Hope Billy's arm can stay attached for 3 more years if this deal goes down.