Is patience a virtue?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

if you wanted the FO to go full out last year then you're not allowed to enjoy anything that Russell does

 

you're not allowed to like him

 

don't even say his name

 

lol no

[Sammy Sofa]

no. deciding not to tank doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win 95 games. they could have "tried" and still been out of contention by july and thus still traded samardzija.

it's very much worth considering if we somehow overperformed and weren't sellers either of the three years

 

2012: no Kyle Hendricks*

2013: no Neil Ramirez, Justin Grimm, CJ Edwards, Arrieta, Strop

2014: no Addison Russell, Billy McKinney

 

*this one would probably bother just me though

 

yeah, retroactively wiping out either of those last two deadline hauls is way too deleterious for me to accept

 

One would hope that the FO would have had the ability to construct competitive teams and actually draft well (and work the IFA market) without tanking for higher picks and fire sale trades.

[CubColtPacer]

no. deciding not to tank doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win 95 games. they could have "tried" and still been out of contention by july and thus still traded samardzija.

it's very much worth considering if we somehow overperformed and weren't sellers either of the three years

 

2012: no Kyle Hendricks*

2013: no Neil Ramirez, Justin Grimm, CJ Edwards, Arrieta, Strop

2014: no Addison Russell, Billy McKinney

 

*this one would probably bother just me though

 

yeah, retroactively wiping out either of those last two deadline hauls is way too deleterious for me to accept

 

One would hope that the FO would have had the ability to construct competitive teams and actually draft well (and work the IFA market) without tanking for higher picks and fire sale trades.

 

Sure, but it would have been a slower process. They almost certainly got inflated value for consistently picking the future asset over the present one. Plus, the Cubs have taken advantage of playing time openings to give more time to reclamation projects that have turned into some extra assets.

 

It's a separate question if that inflated value is worth throwing away seasons. But as the assets in the Cubs portfolio start to mature, they almost certainly are in a better organizational state going forward than if they had gone the other way. That's almost by definition true based on the way the MLB economy works.

[Sammy Sofa]

no. deciding not to tank doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win 95 games. they could have "tried" and still been out of contention by july and thus still traded samardzija.

it's very much worth considering if we somehow overperformed and weren't sellers either of the three years

 

2012: no Kyle Hendricks*

2013: no Neil Ramirez, Justin Grimm, CJ Edwards, Arrieta, Strop

2014: no Addison Russell, Billy McKinney

 

*this one would probably bother just me though

 

yeah, retroactively wiping out either of those last two deadline hauls is way too deleterious for me to accept

 

One would hope that the FO would have had the ability to construct competitive teams and actually draft well (and work the IFA market) without tanking for higher picks and fire sale trades.

 

Sure, but it would have been a slower process.

 

Only because the Ricketts turned out to be rich people-broke.

[seanimal]

no. deciding not to tank doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win 95 games. they could have "tried" and still been out of contention by july and thus still traded samardzija.

 

which, i'm sure, would have elicited exactly 0 complaints

[Sammy Sofa]

So what?

[Guest]

the cubs accelerated building an epic young foundation by committing to losing the way that they did and then by being awesome at their jobs because they are just that

 

i didn't like the last 3 years even a little but you just can't handwave this whole thing away as "yeah big deal they tanked for 3 years"

[Sammy Sofa]

Strangely enough, people can both enjoy what's happening now and discuss other things.

 

If it bugs you so much just ignore the conversation instead of expecting people to not have it at all.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

the cubs accelerated building an epic young foundation by committing to losing the way that they did and then by being awesome at their jobs because they are just that

 

i didn't like the last 3 years even a little but you just can't handwave this whole thing away as "yeah big deal they tanked for 3 years"

 

I'm leaning heavily on "lucked into Bryant and Russell" to do my handwaving for me.

[Sammy Sofa]

How do you figure they lucked into them?

[Guest]

the cubs accelerated building an epic young foundation by committing to losing the way that they did and then by being awesome at their jobs because they are just that

 

i didn't like the last 3 years even a little but you just can't handwave this whole thing away as "yeah big deal they tanked for 3 years"

 

I'm leaning heavily on "lucked into Bryant and Russell" to do my handwaving for me.

 

lucked into making awesome trades when russell's prospect status was well established?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

lucked into making awesome trades when russell's prospect status was well established?

 

If Billy Beane doesn't wake up one morning and decide he's willing to trade a guy normally untouchable, then none of the other 28 GMs were going to give you anything close to that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, you've cracked the code of the other team being necessary to complete a trade as luck. Brilliant.

[Guest]

cubs are good, can't we all just be happy and slap dongs

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes, you've cracked the code of the other team being necessary to complete a trade as luck. Brilliant.

 

I admitted it was a handwave.