"You really have to be thankful we have Neifi."

[dalgreen]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

You are missing my point. Perez is bad, period. Which ties back to my original point that is why you can't re-sign Nomar. My point also is backup infielders are backup infielders for a reason. We have bad starting outfielders, bad starting pitchers and have had bad top bullpen guys. Key word is starting. This is just redundant. We all know how bad Neifi is and why it's ridiculous to have him or either Cedeno (who may or may not be just as bad) as backups for a guy who seems incapable of playing an injury-free year.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

[dalgreen]

If the Cubs choose Neifi over Nomar I'm seriously going to consider being done with this team.

 

Why do you think Perez will be the starting shortstop next year?

[dalgreen]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

Notice how it's generally a pick and choose around here? There have only been a few people on here mention that Lee is hitting around .280 since the middle of June. But because of his great first half, we should just ignore that his career numbers don't suggest that that's the real Lee. Yet, we rely on career numbers for Perez. I don't know what ticks me off more, me sounding as if I'm defending a scrub like Perez or the bias shown by some of certain Cub players.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

how do you get Neifi back in the backup role he belongs in? you get a younger starting SS that isn't injury prone.

 

i love nomar, but i can't take another season of Dusty using his boy Neifi when Nomar goes down for most of the season with another injury.

 

Furcal for starting SS. :D

[YearofDaCubs]

If the Cubs choose Neifi over Nomar I'm seriously going to consider being done with this team.

 

Why do you think Perez will be the starting shortstop next year?

Yeah, I doubt Neifi will be the starter for next year, but I agree it would be a farce if he is.

[Chocolate Milk]

If the Cubs choose Neifi over Nomar I'm seriously going to consider being done with this team.

 

Why do you think Perez will be the starting shortstop next year?

Yeah, I doubt Neifi will be the starter for next year, but I agree it would be a farce if he is.

 

You can say THAT again!

[UMFan83]

I agree don't resign Neifi to start, but I would certainly be willing to sacrifice a good amount of offense for stabalized defense. Certainly not as bad as Neifi, but I could live with a .750 heavily weighted towards OBP player. Any options out there?

[Too Tall]

how do you get Neifi back in the backup role he belongs in? you get a younger starting SS that isn't injury prone.

 

i love nomar, but i can't take another season of Dusty using his boy Neifi when Nomar goes down for most of the season with another injury.

 

Furcal for starting SS. :D

Correction, if he's young, he also has to have played for another team, no matter if he was good or not.

[Cubfanintheknow]

I don't think Neifi is that bad. If the guy would learn to walk a little more, I think he'd get a little more love around here.

 

When Garciaparra first came back, I wouldn't have minded the Cubs signing him to a one-year, incentive-laden contract for 2006. Now, no.

 

If Garciaparra does play for the Cubs in 2006, I wouldn't re-sign Perez. But I would sign him if the Cubs went out and got Rafael Furcal. Sounds like twisted logic. But Perez would likely play a lot less with Furcal around than Garciaparra.

[ltb]

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

well, the fact of the matter is that neifi has been horrendous since april. since that's the first month of the season, there isn't a lot of picking and choosing going on - it's a continuous stretch of time since then. it's not like someone is saying "well neifi is a .500 ops hitter on mondays and wednesdays in the summer during day games when the moon the night before was full."

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

Notice how it's generally a pick and choose around here? There have only been a few people on here mention that Lee is hitting around .280 since the middle of June. But because of his great first half, we should just ignore that his career numbers don't suggest that that's the real Lee. Yet, we rely on career numbers for Perez. I don't know what ticks me off more, me sounding as if I'm defending a scrub like Perez or the bias shown by some of certain Cub players.

 

Call it picking and choosing if you like, but the fact is that Neifi's April was a fluke, and showing what he's done outside that month(which is closer to his career norms away from Coors) is probably a better indication of what he will do in the future, since we're talking about next year.

 

Not many people have mentioned Lee dropping off. I don't see what the point is. I haven't seen any threads discussing Lee's future production with the team, it's not like people are analyzing his numbers often and conveniently leaving it out.

[frostwyrm]

2005 Neifi Perez is perfectly analogous to 2004 Tony Womack. Both are utility players in their 30's with horrible lifetime numbers, having a career season. The Cards were smart enough not to gamble on Womack repeating, but the dumdum Cubs would have resigned Womack, just as they will resign Neifi for 2006. Players this bad and this old will not turn a corner and become good. If you are fortunate enough to get a good season out of these types count yourself blessed and then let them go.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

Notice how it's generally a pick and choose around here? There have only been a few people on here mention that Lee is hitting around .280 since the middle of June. But because of his great first half, we should just ignore that his career numbers don't suggest that that's the real Lee. Yet, we rely on career numbers for Perez. I don't know what ticks me off more, me sounding as if I'm defending a scrub like Perez or the bias shown by some of certain Cub players.

 

Call it picking and choosing if you like, but the fact is that Neifi's April was a fluke, and showing what he's done outside that month(which is closer to his career norms away from Coors) is probably a better indication of what he will do in the future, since we're talking about next year.

 

Not many people have mentioned Lee dropping off. I don't see what the point is. I haven't seen any threads discussing Lee's future production with the team, it's not like people are analyzing his numbers often and conveniently leaving it out.

 

August so far:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=chc&cat=OPS&season=2005&split=44&seasonType=2&type=reg

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

Notice how it's generally a pick and choose around here? There have only been a few people on here mention that Lee is hitting around .280 since the middle of June. But because of his great first half, we should just ignore that his career numbers don't suggest that that's the real Lee. Yet, we rely on career numbers for Perez. I don't know what ticks me off more, me sounding as if I'm defending a scrub like Perez or the bias shown by some of certain Cub players.

 

Call it picking and choosing if you like, but the fact is that Neifi's April was a fluke, and showing what he's done outside that month(which is closer to his career norms away from Coors) is probably a better indication of what he will do in the future, since we're talking about next year.

 

Not many people have mentioned Lee dropping off. I don't see what the point is. I haven't seen any threads discussing Lee's future production with the team, it's not like people are analyzing his numbers often and conveniently leaving it out.

 

August so far:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=chc&cat=OPS&season=2005&split=44&seasonType=2&type=reg

 

With half the at bats as previous months, and a 5-12, 2 BB, 2 2B, 1 HR trip to Coors.

[frostwyrm]

August so far:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=chc&cat=OPS&season=2005&split=44&seasonType=2&type=reg

 

Just out of curiosity, if you were the Cards GM, would you have resigned Tony Womack for 2005? Your logic inescapably leads me to believe you would have.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

2005 Neifi Perez is perfectly analogous to 2004 Tony Womack. Both are utility players in their 30's with horrible lifetime numbers, having a career season. The Cards were smart enough not to gamble on Womack repeating, but the dumdum Cubs would have resigned Womack, just as they will resign Neifi for 2006. Players this bad and this old will not turn a corner and become good. If you are fortunate enough to get a good season out of these types count yourself blessed and then let them go.

 

Perez isn't really having a career season. His OPS is only a shade higher than his career totals, and his OBP is a tick lower.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

Notice how it's generally a pick and choose around here? There have only been a few people on here mention that Lee is hitting around .280 since the middle of June. But because of his great first half, we should just ignore that his career numbers don't suggest that that's the real Lee. Yet, we rely on career numbers for Perez. I don't know what ticks me off more, me sounding as if I'm defending a scrub like Perez or the bias shown by some of certain Cub players.

 

Call it picking and choosing if you like, but the fact is that Neifi's April was a fluke, and showing what he's done outside that month(which is closer to his career norms away from Coors) is probably a better indication of what he will do in the future, since we're talking about next year.

 

Not many people have mentioned Lee dropping off. I don't see what the point is. I haven't seen any threads discussing Lee's future production with the team, it's not like people are analyzing his numbers often and conveniently leaving it out.

 

August so far:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=chc&cat=OPS&season=2005&split=44&seasonType=2&type=reg

 

With half the at bats as previous months, and a 5-12, 2 BB, 2 2B, 1 HR trip to Coors.

 

How about post AS numbers:

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=OPS&minpa=0&split=182&season=2005&pos=ss&hand=a&league=mlb&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&qual=false

[frostwyrm]

2005 Neifi Perez is perfectly analogous to 2004 Tony Womack. Both are utility players in their 30's with horrible lifetime numbers, having a career season. The Cards were smart enough not to gamble on Womack repeating, but the dumdum Cubs would have resigned Womack, just as they will resign Neifi for 2006. Players this bad and this old will not turn a corner and become good. If you are fortunate enough to get a good season out of these types count yourself blessed and then let them go.

 

Perez isn't really having a career season. His OPS is only a shade higher than his career totals, and his OBP is a tick lower.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that stuff, but his career numbers are heavily padded by all his time at Coors. Overall I think this is his finest. As you can tell, Coors numbers have zero credibility with me.

[dalgreen]

Neifi Perez is horrible with the bat. But to his credit, his lack of offense is more noticeable in a crappy lineup like we've had to trot out every day this year. Had we gotten good offensive production all year from the lf, cf, and rf positions, I don't think his offense would be addressed as it has been on this thread and the dozens of others throughout the season. And I don't see why there needs to be a comparison to Womack. Perez was never, ever signed by the Cubs to be a starter. The Cardinals and the Yankees signed Womack to be a starter.

[dalgreen]

I don't like Perez, but some of you act as if he was brought here to be an everyday player and not a backup infielder. How about at least showing some level of fairness and compare his numbers to other backup infielders. Or maybe we should've just kept Ramon Martinez, eh?

 

His .281 OBP outside of April is tied for 40th out of 44 SS with 100 PA's. He's bad compared to everyone.

 

Why do you keep dropping April off? Wasn't it part of this season? 23 games to be exact of which Neifi played in 21. So far his numbers for August are matching his April numbers.

 

Maybe he should start months that start in "A"?

 

Notice how it's generally a pick and choose around here? There have only been a few people on here mention that Lee is hitting around .280 since the middle of June. But because of his great first half, we should just ignore that his career numbers don't suggest that that's the real Lee. Yet, we rely on career numbers for Perez. I don't know what ticks me off more, me sounding as if I'm defending a scrub like Perez or the bias shown by some of certain Cub players.

 

Call it picking and choosing if you like, but the fact is that Neifi's April was a fluke, and showing what he's done outside that month(which is closer to his career norms away from Coors) is probably a better indication of what he will do in the future, since we're talking about next year.

 

Not many people have mentioned Lee dropping off. I don't see what the point is. I haven't seen any threads discussing Lee's future production with the team, it's not like people are analyzing his numbers often and conveniently leaving it out.

 

I brought up Lee because one or two posters were criticized earlier in the month for suggesting trading Lee in the offseason due to his unlikliness to hit the way he did the first half of the season based on his career numbers. I could've sworn a couple of people who criticized the proposed trade are the ones talking about Perez's career numbers. Perez's offensive numbers stink, as we knew they would based on his career numbers. But the same must then be said of Lee, too; triple crown threat or not. As I said, you can't pick and choose. Lee's post ASB average is closer to his career norms than his numbers for the first three months. So, to me, anyone wanting to deal Lee while his value this high has a very good case.

[goonys evil twin]

Neifi Perez is horrible with the bat. But to his credit, his lack of offense is more noticeable in a crappy lineup like we've had to trot out every day this year. Had we gotten good offensive production all year from the lf, cf, and rf positions, I don't think his offense would be addressed as it has been on this thread and the dozens of others throughout the season. And I don't see why there needs to be a comparison to Womack. Perez was never, ever signed by the Cubs to be a starter. The Cardinals and the Yankees signed Womack to be a starter.

 

Who cares what he was signed for. He was used as a starter and failed miserably. Saying it's not his fault that he played that much hardly justifies his presence in the lineup on a regular basis. He can't return. SF dumped the guy when they had a far more potent lineup to hide him in than the Cubs did. The Cubs signed him knowing that Nomar was unlikely to play full-time, and if they didn't know that they were just too stupid too know how bad Neifi is (which is debatable).

 

Why are people trying to gloss over how bad Neifi is? Prior to Nomar's hot August, the Cubs were at the bottom of the league in terms of production from SS, and Neifi accounted for the vast majority of that. He hurts the ballclub when he plays. He'd be a fine $500,000 25th man. But that type of player is a dime a dozen. But because the manager is so ignorant of the reality of baseball stats, you cannot bring Neifi back in any capacity next season if Dusty is still around.

[frostwyrm]

Perez was never, ever signed by the Cubs to be a starter.

 

When you sign a horrible player to back up a known injury risk you are taking a foolish gamble. A lot of us here on this message board knew Perez was very likely to get a whole lot of playing time. Now if he were Cal Ripken's backup that would be different.

[goonys evil twin]

Lee's post ASB average is closer to his career norms than his numbers for the first three months. So, to me, anyone wanting to deal Lee while his value this high has a very good case.

 

You're basing that statement due to his batting average? There are far more important things to talk about than batting average.

 

Anyway, here are his post ASB numbers:

.293 .388 .578

 

That's well off his pre ASB numbers:

.378 .452 .733

 

But it's still well ahead of his career numbers:

.276 .363 .498

 

And near the top of the list for 1B. DLee is 29 years old, right at the end of the age range when players hit their peak. While it's highly doubtful he'll ever have a season similar to his first half 2005 numbers, it's highly probable he'll routinely outplay his pre-2005 career numbers. If you want to talk about trading DLee, you have to get some serious return. He has to be considered top 5 in the league at his position right now, with a few of those competing with him much older and closer to declines.

 

A trade for Lee would be extremely complicated. Aside from the morale issues of dealing off a team favorite coming off a career year, getting equal or greater talent in return would be very tough.

 

However, that has nothing to do with Neifi Perez. Neifi is a crappy ballplayer with little worth to a ballclub. Careers stats, 2005 stats, split stats, whatever, Neifi sucks. His presence in the lineup on a regular basis severaly damaged the club's chances this year, and the manager's inexplicable love for him means you simply cannot go into 2006 with him on the roster.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I'll never understand the "trade him while he's good" philosophy. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't that when we'd want to KEEP him? We could trade DLee for a couple of guys who wouldn't put up his numbers. And if by some chance they did, people would be saying we need to trade that guy while he's hot.