JVB in Iowa

[nikao]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

[nikao]

Which leads to the question, why not? Is he one of those AAAA kind of pitchers?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Which leads to the question, why not? Is he one of those AAAA kind of pitchers?

 

He's never been a top prospect, and he doesn't have the stuff of say, a Wellemeyer. You may see him added this offseason, but since during the season they aren't easy to come by, a AAA reliever is low on the priority list to get put on.

[rawaction]

Which leads to the question, why not? Is he one of those AAAA kind of pitchers?

 

He's never been a top prospect, and he doesn't have the stuff of say, a Wellemeyer. You may see him added this offseason, but since during the season they aren't easy to come by, a AAA reliever is low on the priority list to get put on.

 

He's never been an elite prospect, but he's been highly thought of in his career. He was the 60th overall pick in 98. I believe he was in the Rockies top 10 as recently as 2002.

[2242005CY]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Uh, no.

[Laura]

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Last I checked, posters here don't control who is and is not on the 40-man roster.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

 

Glad to hear that you do.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Bartosh isn't on the 40-man.

 

Van Buren has had minor league success. On the other hand, Leicester had major league success last season.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

 

How do you know this for a fact?

[2242005CY]

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Last I checked, posters here don't control who is and is not on the 40-man roster.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

 

Glad to hear that you do.

 

It's a no brainer. How can you keep him off? What kind of message would that send to players throughout the system, if they keep off a guy who's been probably the most consistent player in the organization over the last 2 seasons and let him go rule 5?

 

Don't remember ever saying any poster on here has control over who is and who is not on the 40 man.

[2242005CY]

[ Edited August 18, 2005 by #2242005CY

[2242005CY]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Bartosh isn't on the 40-man.

 

Van Buren has had minor league success. On the other hand, Leicester had major league success last season.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

 

How do you know this for a fact?

 

My bad on Bartosh. Forgot that he was on it this year but was sooo bad, that noone picked him up.

 

As far as Leicester goes, yeah he had success, for half a season, before opposing teams figured out he had 1 pitch and before his arm died and went to heaven. I don't understand your point though. So this is supposed to mean that Van Buren won't be any good,cuz he's not on the 40 man and cuz he hasn't been given a chance at ML level?

 

 

 

Leicester is basicly done, unless he needs surgery and needs his arm cleaned out. He cant even get AAA players out and is on 40 man and yet Van Buren who has done nothing but get AAA players out, isn't.

 

with all the rule 5 elgible guys, VB might not be added to the 40 man this year, but he should've been on it this year over guys like Rohlicek and given a chance over guys like Wellemeyer who is a giant dope and will NEVER get his head straight and be worth a sack of nuts.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

It's a no brainer. How can you keep him off? What kind of message would that send to players throughout the system, if they keep off a guy who's been probably the most consistent player in the organization over the last 2 seasons and let him go rule 5?

 

Because there are players the Cubs should protect ahead of JVB. Felix Pie, Brandon Sing, Sean Marshall, Carlos Marmol and Ricky Nolasco are all in need of protection this offseason, and all should be protected over JVB.

 

And just from that list, Brandon Sing and Carlos Marmol have been more consistent than JVB the past two seasons.

[2242005CY]

It's a no brainer. How can you keep him off? What kind of message would that send to players throughout the system, if they keep off a guy who's been probably the most consistent player in the organization over the last 2 seasons and let him go rule 5?

 

Because there are players the Cubs should protect ahead of JVB. Felix Pie, Brandon Sing, Sean Marshall, Carlos Marmol and Ricky Nolasco are all in need of protection this offseason, and all deserve to be protected over JVB.

 

And just from that list, Brandon Sing and Carlos Marmol have been more consistent than JVB the past two seasons.

 

I already half conceded that VB might not be included due to other rule 5 elgibles in my prior post.

 

Well, I don't know how you can say that Sing and Marmol have been MORE consistent than VB. AS consistent, yes. I would agree that those 3 have been the most consistent in the organization over the last 2 seasons.

[samhainn77]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

 

Nice over exaggeration. I don't think I've seen anyone claim Choi, Hill, or Kelton will be prennial all stars. They were/are extremely talented and have the potential (key word here) to make an impact on the major league club. Especially when they have people like Karros, Deshields, and Willie Harris in front of them who wouldn't be hard to out produce.

 

Don't do drugs.

[UBlink]

I think a better way of saying it is that JVB is very likely to be on someone's 40 man roster this winter.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I saw noted in a couple of places that Jermaine Van Buren has racked up 22 saves at Iowa. What's the story on him at this point. I know there were some around here who used to be high on him. Why call up Wellemeyer or Koronka for bullpen work when there's someone doing well in the bullpen in Des Moines?

 

To answer your question, because he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Bartosh isn't on the 40-man.

 

Van Buren has had minor league success. On the other hand, Leicester had major league success last season.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

 

How do you know this for a fact?

 

My bad on Bartosh. Forgot that he was on it this year but was sooo bad, that noone picked him up.

 

As far as Leicester goes, yeah he had success, for half a season, before opposing teams figured out he had 1 pitch and before his arm died and went to heaven. I don't understand your point though. So this is supposed to mean that Van Buren won't be any good,cuz he's not on the 40 man and cuz he hasn't been given a chance at ML level?

 

 

 

Leicester is basicly done, unless he needs surgery and needs his arm cleaned out. He cant even get AAA players out and is on 40 man and yet Van Buren who has done nothing but get AAA players out, isn't.

 

with all the rule 5 elgible guys, VB might not be added to the 40 man this year, but he should've been on it this year over guys like Rohlicek and given a chance over guys like Wellemeyer who is a giant dope and will NEVER get his head straight and be worth a sack of nuts.

 

What I am saying is I won't complain about Leicester being on the 40-man since he made contributions to the big league team last year. I don't see the point in being upset at Leicester being on the 40-man despite his down season (and he has been improving of late). Complaining about Rohlicek, Koronka, etc? Sure. (Though I'd have preferred Sisco being placed on the 40-man over JVB if Rohlicek wasn't going to be on there.)

 

And I'm through arguing with you if all you can use is hyperbole and points like, "Wellemeyer is a giant dope and will NEVER get his head straight and be worth a sack of nuts."

[Laura]

Don't remember ever saying any poster on here has control over who is and who is not on the 40 man.

 

Who are you referring to when you say Cub "Minor League enthusiasts"?

 

Because it seems here that you're blaming them for JVB not being on the 40-man roster:

 

and yet pitchers who have stunk in AAA like Rohlicek and Bartosh and Leicester ARE on the 40 man. Yet Van Buren who, a lot of Cub "Minor League enthusiasts" say doesn't have Major League stuff, has for 2 seasons now, has had nothing but success, Isn't on the 40 man. But then again, for the most part, this is coming from the same group that thought Hee Seop and Bobby Hill, David Kelton and even Kevin Orie (almost forgot Mitre), were going to be perennial All Stars.

 

Van Buren will be added to the 40 man this off season.

[Chris]

For the record, I love David Kelton. In addition, I don't like this line:

 

who is a giant dope and will NEVER get his head straight and be worth a sack of nuts

 

If you want to provide some stats then I'm all about that. However, I don't like hearing an argument against a guy for being a "dope" as he is being called.

[SAMMYWHO]

It's not Kelton's fault the Cubs can't find a spot for him on the big club. His natural position is blocked by one of the game's potent bats (Ramirez). By the way anybody here what position's he's having success with on the field?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's not Kelton's fault the Cubs can't find a spot for him on the big club. His natural position is blocked by one of the game's potent bats (Ramirez). By the way anybody here what position's he's having success with on the field?

 

Kelton is an outfielder, he requested the move off of third base.