Bruce Levine: Cpatt to be recalled in 7-10 days

[E.J.]

I posted this in the "Outfield Alignement" thread, but felt it needed it's own thread. Bruce Levine was on ESPN 1000 a while ago and said that Corey would be recalled in the next 7-10 days. With the 3 coming back on Friday, and then if Corey gets recalled in the next 7-10 days, that's a lot of shuffling. Can't say I'm that big of a fan of this if it's true. :?

[David]

I posted this in the "Outfield Alignement" thread, but felt it needed it's own thread. Bruce Levine was on ESPN 1000 a while ago and said that Corey would be recalled in the next 7-10 days. With the 3 coming back on Friday, and then if Corey gets recalled in the next 7-10 days, that's a lot of shuffling. Can't say I'm that big of a fan of this if it's true. :?

 

Well, assuming he isn't a 100% complete wreck, I'd rather have CPatt in CF than Hairston if Lawton is going to be manning LF. The beauty is we don't have to force Corey into a role in which he doesn't belong (top of the order)... Plus, not that it's a huge deal, but Corey is a far better CF than Hairston.

 

I could live with Corey in the 7th spot or so...

 

Lawton, Walker, Lee, Ramirez, Burnitz, Nomar, Patterson, Barrett (or something similar) isn't too bad...

 

It's not as nice as some of the Manny and Dunn fantasy lineups.. but oh, well.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

murton we hardly knew ye

[rickrolled]

I don't really understand this. He's hitting .224 in Iowa. Why not just keep him down there for awhile and let him work out his problems? Judging from the numbers, it looks like he hasn't improved much from when we sent him down. I have a hard time believing he'll be any better than he was before he was demoted.

[Jon]

If true, it's hard not to assume that a lot of this was just for him to clear his head and not mostly to rework his swing.

[chicubs]

I didnt expect him to hit 300 or even .280, but .224 is/was way below my expectations. Something is really wrong with him, but I am sure rooting for him. When normal, he is by far our best outfielder at the plate and in the field. We need him back to normal or else, if you hadnt already, you can kiss the season goodbye.

 

One positive thing from AAA is, though, that Corey was being aggresive on the base paths and stealing bases. We need some of that.

Edited August 2, 2005 by chicubs

[treebird]

excellent move, it will be nice to have a centerfielder on the roster again

[Brian]

excellent move, it will be nice to have a centerfielder on the roster again

 

jose macias dood.

[Sabermetrician]

I wouldn't mind giving Corey another chance, as long as we don't bat him leadoff (which isn't likely). With Lawton acquired, Corey could hit down in the order, hopefully #7.

 

I've got nothing against Hairston, but I think our lineup could potentially be better with Corey hitting #7 than it is right now with Hairston (OBP June/July: .333/.304).

 

This is what I would do:

 

LF-Lawton

2B-Walker

1B-Lee

3B-Ramirez

RF-Burnitz

SS-Garciaparra

CF-Patterson

C-Barrett

[erik316wttn]

I posted this in the "Outfield Alignement" thread, but felt it needed it's own thread. Bruce Levine was on ESPN 1000 a while ago and said that Corey would be recalled in the next 7-10 days. With the 3 coming back on Friday, and then if Corey gets recalled in the next 7-10 days, that's a lot of shuffling. Can't say I'm that big of a fan of this if it's true. :?

 

Well, assuming he isn't a 100% complete wreck, I'd rather have CPatt in CF than Hairston if Lawton is going to be manning LF. The beauty is we don't have to force Corey into a role in which he doesn't belong (top of the order)... Plus, not that it's a huge deal, but Corey is a far better CF than Hairston.

 

I could live with Corey in the 7th spot or so...

 

Lawton, Walker, Lee, Ramirez, Burnitz, Nomar, Patterson, Barrett (or something similar) isn't too bad...

 

It's not as nice as some of the Manny and Dunn fantasy lineups.. but oh, well.

 

But if you give me a good hitter with average defense and an average hitter with good defense, I'll take the good hitter 9 times out of 10.

[David]

I didnt expect him to hit 300 or even .280, but .224 is/was way below my expectations. Something is really wrong with him, but I am sure rooting for him. When normal, he is by far our best outfielder at the plate and in the field. We need him back to normal or else, if you hadnt already, you can kiss the season goodbye.

 

One positive thing from AAA is, though, that Corey was being aggresive on the base paths and stealing bases. We need some of that.

 

 

IIRC, Corey started out doing pretty well... around .280-.300... His numbers dropping over the past couple weeks coincided with an upper-respiratory infection (fancy medical term for cold/flu) and the last few games he's been doing better.

 

I could be wrong, though.

 

Either way, it definitely WOULD be nice to have a center-fielder on the roster...

[Sabermetrician]

I posted this in the "Outfield Alignement" thread, but felt it needed it's own thread. Bruce Levine was on ESPN 1000 a while ago and said that Corey would be recalled in the next 7-10 days. With the 3 coming back on Friday, and then if Corey gets recalled in the next 7-10 days, that's a lot of shuffling. Can't say I'm that big of a fan of this if it's true. :?

 

Well, assuming he isn't a 100% complete wreck, I'd rather have CPatt in CF than Hairston if Lawton is going to be manning LF. The beauty is we don't have to force Corey into a role in which he doesn't belong (top of the order)... Plus, not that it's a huge deal, but Corey is a far better CF than Hairston.

 

I could live with Corey in the 7th spot or so...

 

Lawton, Walker, Lee, Ramirez, Burnitz, Nomar, Patterson, Barrett (or something similar) isn't too bad...

 

It's not as nice as some of the Manny and Dunn fantasy lineups.. but oh, well.

 

I guess we think alike. :D

 

I didn't even read your post before making mine.

[David]

I posted this in the "Outfield Alignement" thread, but felt it needed it's own thread. Bruce Levine was on ESPN 1000 a while ago and said that Corey would be recalled in the next 7-10 days. With the 3 coming back on Friday, and then if Corey gets recalled in the next 7-10 days, that's a lot of shuffling. Can't say I'm that big of a fan of this if it's true. :?

 

Well, assuming he isn't a 100% complete wreck, I'd rather have CPatt in CF than Hairston if Lawton is going to be manning LF. The beauty is we don't have to force Corey into a role in which he doesn't belong (top of the order)... Plus, not that it's a huge deal, but Corey is a far better CF than Hairston.

 

I could live with Corey in the 7th spot or so...

 

Lawton, Walker, Lee, Ramirez, Burnitz, Nomar, Patterson, Barrett (or something similar) isn't too bad...

 

It's not as nice as some of the Manny and Dunn fantasy lineups.. but oh, well.

 

But if you give me a good hitter with average defense and an average hitter with good defense, I'll take the good hitter 9 times out of 10.

 

So would I. But with Hairston we're not talking about a good hitter (at least not lately) or an average fielder (OK, maybe I'll concede average)...

 

Unless you're considering an OF of Murton, Burnitz, and Lawton...

[erik316wttn]

I don't really understand this. He's hitting .224 in Iowa. Why not just keep him down there for awhile and let him work out his problems? Judging from the numbers, it looks like he hasn't improved much from when we sent him down. I have a hard time believing he'll be any better than he was before he was demoted.

 

Exactly. I don't follow the logic. He wasn't hitting MLB pitching, so you send him down to AAA. He's not hitting AAA so then you bring him back up?

 

:-s

[CubsHawks25]

Just stick Corey in the 7 or 8-hole, where he can't hurt us as much offfensively. If he somehow gets hot and raises his AVG and OBP, its just an added bonus that will only help out in the stretch run. We know his defense/speed in CF is second to none as far as CFs go on the current 25-man roster.

 

I see Dusty going like this, (even HE can't be so stupid as to not recognize Corey's offensive woes as of the current time);

 

LF Lawton

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar/C Barrett

C Barrett/SS Nomar

CF Patterson

pitcher

 

maybe switch Patterson and Barrett (but not Nomar if puts Nomar in 7-hole) depending on opposing pitcher

[Omar]

I don't really understand this. He's hitting .224 in Iowa. Why not just keep him down there for awhile and let him work out his problems? Judging from the numbers, it looks like he hasn't improved much from when we sent him down. I have a hard time believing he'll be any better than he was before he was demoted.

 

Exactly. I don't follow the logic. He wasn't hitting MLB pitching, so you send him down to AAA. He's not hitting AAA so then you bring him back up?

 

:-s

 

Well, IMO, MLB hitting/pitching has a lot to do with knowing the guy you're facing.

 

I dont know if they do that in the minors.. but the main goal to send him down was for him to shorten his swing (which he probably has) and make other minor adjustments.

 

C-Patt is 5 for his last 13 and the Cubs are probably expecting him to start improving enough in the next 7-10 days that he shreds the ball, enough to be called up.

[David]

Here's an interesting question...

 

Is Hairston more devoid of SLG than you would reasonably expect Corey to be of OBP... or is it vice-versa?

 

I think we all know that Corey when he's on is significantly better than Hairston when he's on. The question is whether Corey, at his worst (within reason, I suppose), is much, if at all, worse in overall production than Hairston just being Hairston...

 

I know that Corey would be much more likely to make up the OBP difference (just by hitting) than Hairston would be of making up the SLG difference...but the way CPatt has gone this year, that point is pretty much moot anyway.

[David]

I posted this in the "Outfield Alignement" thread, but felt it needed it's own thread. Bruce Levine was on ESPN 1000 a while ago and said that Corey would be recalled in the next 7-10 days. With the 3 coming back on Friday, and then if Corey gets recalled in the next 7-10 days, that's a lot of shuffling. Can't say I'm that big of a fan of this if it's true. :?

 

Well, assuming he isn't a 100% complete wreck, I'd rather have CPatt in CF than Hairston if Lawton is going to be manning LF. The beauty is we don't have to force Corey into a role in which he doesn't belong (top of the order)... Plus, not that it's a huge deal, but Corey is a far better CF than Hairston.

 

I could live with Corey in the 7th spot or so...

 

Lawton, Walker, Lee, Ramirez, Burnitz, Nomar, Patterson, Barrett (or something similar) isn't too bad...

 

It's not as nice as some of the Manny and Dunn fantasy lineups.. but oh, well.

 

I guess we think alike. :D

 

I didn't even read your post before making mine.

 

You know what they say about great minds...

[David]

Just stick Corey in the 7 or 8-hole, where he can't hurt us as much offfensively. If he somehow gets hot and raises his AVG and OBP, its just an added bonus that will only help out in the stretch run. We know his defense/speed in CF is second to none as far as CFs go on the current 25-man roster.

 

I see Dusty going like this, (even HE can't be so stupid as to not recognize Corey's offensive woes as of the current time);

 

LF Lawton

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar/C Barrett

C Barrett/SS Nomar

CF Patterson

pitcher

 

maybe switch Patterson and Barrett (but not Nomar if puts Nomar in 7-hole) depending on opposing pitcher

 

DISCLAIMER - I'm not normally big on all the batting order talk..

 

but someone with as horrible patience as Corey in the 8th spot could really spell disaster. They'll try to pitch around him to get to the pitcher, and could likely end up getting the K (or him making an out on a bad pitch), leading to us leading off the next inning with the pitcher.

 

I'd rather have a patient guy in the 8th spot. In that situation, it's more likely we'll get the lineup turned around, at least.

[CubsHawks25]

Just stick Corey in the 7 or 8-hole, where he can't hurt us as much offfensively. If he somehow gets hot and raises his AVG and OBP, its just an added bonus that will only help out in the stretch run. We know his defense/speed in CF is second to none as far as CFs go on the current 25-man roster.

 

I see Dusty going like this, (even HE can't be so stupid as to not recognize Corey's offensive woes as of the current time);

 

LF Lawton

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar/C Barrett

C Barrett/SS Nomar

CF Patterson

pitcher

 

maybe switch Patterson and Barrett (but not Nomar if puts Nomar in 7-hole) depending on opposing pitcher

 

DISCLAIMER - I'm not normally big on all the batting order talk..

 

but someone with as horrible patience as Corey in the 8th spot could really spell disaster. They'll try to pitch around him to get to the pitcher, and could likely end up getting the K (or him making an out on a bad pitch), leading to us leading off the next inning with the pitcher.

 

I'd rather have a patient guy in the 8th spot. In that situation, it's more likely we'll get the lineup turned around, at least.

 

 

Well then, just switch Corey and Barrett around then. Until his bat comes around, no matter where he's at, Corey's not gonna be much help offensively... unless the rare times he reaches base, he can steal a base or two or use his speed to create runs.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I didnt expect him to hit 300 or even .280, but .224 is/was way below my expectations. Something is really wrong with him, but I am sure rooting for him. When normal, he is by far our best outfielder at the plate and in the field. We need him back to normal or else, if you hadnt already, you can kiss the season goodbye.

 

One positive thing from AAA is, though, that Corey was being aggresive on the base paths and stealing bases. We need some of that.

 

 

IIRC, Corey started out doing pretty well... around .280-.300... His numbers dropping over the past couple weeks coincided with an upper-respiratory infection (fancy medical term for cold/flu) and the last few games he's been doing better.

 

I could be wrong, though.

 

Either way, it definitely WOULD be nice to have a center-fielder on the roster...

You would be remembering correctly.

[David]

Just stick Corey in the 7 or 8-hole, where he can't hurt us as much offfensively. If he somehow gets hot and raises his AVG and OBP, its just an added bonus that will only help out in the stretch run. We know his defense/speed in CF is second to none as far as CFs go on the current 25-man roster.

 

I see Dusty going like this, (even HE can't be so stupid as to not recognize Corey's offensive woes as of the current time);

 

LF Lawton

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar/C Barrett

C Barrett/SS Nomar

CF Patterson

pitcher

 

maybe switch Patterson and Barrett (but not Nomar if puts Nomar in 7-hole) depending on opposing pitcher

 

DISCLAIMER - I'm not normally big on all the batting order talk..

 

but someone with as horrible patience as Corey in the 8th spot could really spell disaster. They'll try to pitch around him to get to the pitcher, and could likely end up getting the K (or him making an out on a bad pitch), leading to us leading off the next inning with the pitcher.

 

I'd rather have a patient guy in the 8th spot. In that situation, it's more likely we'll get the lineup turned around, at least.

 

 

Well then, just switch Corey and Barrett around then. Until his bat comes around, no matter where he's at, Corey's not gonna be much help offensively... unless the rare times he reaches base, he can steal a base or two or use his speed to create runs.

 

Agreed... that's why I like him in the 7-hole... :wink:

[CubfaninCA]

Since Lawton and Nomah will most likely have the 1 and 2 spots, I'd much rather have Patterson in cf. Even though Patterson has REALLY struggled this year, him and Hairston have near identical slugging %. I'll put my money on the 25 year old w/ 68 career homers giving me more production in the 8 hole than Hairston. Who knows, Patterson could catch fire. I"m not ready to put a fork in the guy like some.

[frostwyrm]

Calling up Corey now is stupid. It's incredible that the organization would bench Murton for a guy who can't even hit AAA pitching right now. Crap like this almost makes me believe the Cubs deserve to fail.

[rawaction]

Heck, why not? What do the Cubs have to lose? Improve the defense. Don't lose a much with the bat (compared to Hairston, Hollandsworth). And there's still the upside. If Corey struggles, the Cubs aren't in a position anymore where they even have to play him everyday. At best, he turns it around and helps the Cubs win games. At worst, the Cubs can make a decision on what to do with him this offseason.

 

Gets the August roster we projected in April (with Williams and Lawton instead of Hawkins and Dubois) on the field together.