All Star Starters announced

[Roast]

If this is posted somewhere else, merge or lock htis...

 

But Guess who is starting for the NL...

 

Chris Carpenter. BIg surprise, larussa picks his own guy.

 

Garland is starting for the AL.

[Roast]

Doh, just looked in game threads. Delete this plz.

[J.R.]

Here's hoping they both get shelled.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Buehrle is starting not Garland.

[Roast]

Buehrle is starting not Garland.

 

Whatever. THey're both the same.

[chicubs]

Probably the least sexy all-star pitching matchup ever.

[ManEatingTarp]

They both deserve to start.

 

A case can be made for other starters, but they are both solid picks. They have the stats, and their teams are the 2 best in baseball.

Clemens doesn't have the Wins (and he got shelled last year), Willis just pitched (and not well) and Halladay has the broken leg.

[ManEatingTarp]

Probably the least sexy all-star pitching matchup ever.

 

Because they're Cardinal and Sox players, or because you don't think they're flashy like Pedro and Clemens?

[ltb]

They both deserve to start.

 

no, they don't.

 

i'm fine with buehrle.

clemens is being punished for 2 reasons

1. he's started before

2. larussa playing favorites

 

carpenter has no business starting this game.

[chicubs]

Probably the least sexy all-star pitching matchup ever.

 

Because they're Cardinal and Sox players, or because you don't think they're flashy like Pedro and Clemens?

 

Partly, but do you honestly believe that Clemens doesnt deserve to be the starter? He is having the best year. I hate him, but he should be the NL starter.

 

The guys pretty much deserve it (not really Carpenter...), I just hate seeing unsexy matchups who are having career years. It just kinda adds to the whole boringness (not a word) of the game.

[ManEatingTarp]

They both deserve to start.

 

no, they don't.

 

i'm fine with buehrle.

clemens is being punished for 2 reasons

1. he's started before

2. larussa playing favorites

 

carpenter has no business starting this game.

 

1. It can be debated. With 7 wins, I don't believe he should be the starter. His other #s support him, so I see your point. I don't agree, but that's because I think that Wins are an important stat. That, and Clemens got shelled in last years game.

Of the other 2 pitchers, Carpenter has as many or more wins, more Ks a slightly higher ERA and lower WHIP. You can make a case for Clemens, but to say that Tony is playing favorites is a weak leg to stand on. Tony had 1 pick to make to fill out his squad, and he didn't pick a Cardinal.

W K ERA WHIP

Roger Clemens 7 112 1.48 0.95

Roy Oswalt 12 118 2.39 1.08

Dontrelle Willis 13 95 2.39 1.14

Chris Carpenter 13 128 2.51 1.07

[Roast]

They both deserve to start.

 

no, they don't.

 

i'm fine with buehrle.

clemens is being punished for 2 reasons

1. he's started before

2. larussa playing favorites

 

carpenter has no business starting this game.

 

1. It can be debated. With 7 wins, I don't believe he should be the starter. His other #s support him, so I see your point. I don't agree, but that's because I think that Wins are an important stat. That, and Clemens got shelled in last years game.

Of the other 2 pitchers, Carpenter has as many or more wins, more Ks a slightly higher ERA and lower WHIP. You can make a case for Clemens, but to say that Tony is playing favorites is a weak leg to stand on. Tony had 1 pick to make to fill out his squad, and he didn't pick a Cardinal.

W K ERA WHIP

Roger Clemens 7 112 1.48 0.95

Roy Oswalt 12 118 2.39 1.08

Dontrelle Willis 13 95 2.39 1.14

Chris Carpenter 13 128 2.51 1.07

 

Sweet lord.

 

Wins are NOT an important stat for pitchers. How is it his fault that his team does not produce for him. Out of that group Clemens has the lowest ERA and the lowest WHIP. Those are important stats for pitchers. Wins, really, have nothing to do with the pitcher. A pitcher could go out and throw a perfect game every single time, but not win a single game. His team has to put up runs for him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I would have started Clemens, and if not Clemens, Willis. Carpenter isn't a bad choice, but I think the other two are more deserving.

 

I will say that Carpenter's numbers are close enough that it made it easy for him to pick "his" guy, but I have little doubt that if any other manager in the National League were making the call, he would have gone with Clemens or Willis.

[Chocolate Milk]

They both deserve to start.

 

no, they don't.

 

i'm fine with buehrle.

clemens is being punished for 2 reasons

1. he's started before

2. larussa playing favorites

 

carpenter has no business starting this game.

 

1. It can be debated. With 7 wins, I don't believe he should be the starter. His other #s support him, so I see your point. I don't agree, but that's because I think that Wins are an important stat. That, and Clemens got shelled in last years game.

Of the other 2 pitchers, Carpenter has as many or more wins, more Ks a slightly higher ERA and lower WHIP. You can make a case for Clemens, but to say that Tony is playing favorites is a weak leg to stand on. Tony had 1 pick to make to fill out his squad, and he didn't pick a Cardinal.

W K ERA WHIP

Roger Clemens 7 112 1.48 0.95

Roy Oswalt 12 118 2.39 1.08

Dontrelle Willis 13 95 2.39 1.14

Chris Carpenter 13 128 2.51 1.07

 

Sweet lord.

 

Wins are NOT an important stat for pitchers. How is it his fault that his team does not produce for him. Out of that group Clemens has the lowest ERA and the lowest WHIP. Those are important stats for pitchers. Wins, really, have nothing to do with the pitcher. A pitcher could go out and throw a perfect game every single time, but not win a single game. His team has to put up runs for him.

 

While, I understand that wins aren't the best way to measure pitching preformance, lets not get carried away.

[ManEatingTarp]

They both deserve to start.

 

no, they don't.

 

i'm fine with buehrle.

clemens is being punished for 2 reasons

1. he's started before

2. larussa playing favorites

 

carpenter has no business starting this game.

 

1. It can be debated. With 7 wins, I don't believe he should be the starter. His other #s support him, so I see your point. I don't agree, but that's because I think that Wins are an important stat. That, and Clemens got shelled in last years game.

Of the other 2 pitchers, Carpenter has as many or more wins, more Ks a slightly higher ERA and lower WHIP. You can make a case for Clemens, but to say that Tony is playing favorites is a weak leg to stand on. Tony had 1 pick to make to fill out his squad, and he didn't pick a Cardinal.

W K ERA WHIP

Roger Clemens 7 112 1.48 0.95

Roy Oswalt 12 118 2.39 1.08

Dontrelle Willis 13 95 2.39 1.14

Chris Carpenter 13 128 2.51 1.07

 

Sweet lord.

 

Wins are NOT an important stat for pitchers. How is it his fault that his team does not produce for him. Out of that group Clemens has the lowest ERA and the lowest WHIP. Those are important stats for pitchers. Wins, really, have nothing to do with the pitcher. A pitcher could go out and throw a perfect game every single time, but not win a single game. His team has to put up runs for him.

 

So when a pitcher wins his 300th game it's not a big deal?

I see your point, but to fans of the game outside of the statheads (guilty as charged) wins are an important stat. Sure, they're kind of like RBIs in that you have to have guys on base to drive in.

You could pick any of those 4 pitchers and have arguments for the other 3. Bottom line, the Cards have the best record in the NL, Carp is the ace of the staff, and Tony is the Cards manager. If he had picked anyone other than Carp, he would have had hell to pay in St. Louis. And what kind of message would that have been to send to his team.

[Roast]

So when a pitcher wins his 300th game it's not a big deal?

I see your point, but to fans of the game outside of the statheads (guilty as charged) wins are an important stat. Sure, they're kind of like RBIs in that you have to have guys on base to drive in.

You could pick any of those 4 pitchers and have arguments for the other 3. Bottom line, the Cards have the best record in the NL, Carp is the ace of the staff, and Tony is the Cards manager. If he had picked anyone other than Carp, he would have had hell to pay in St. Louis. And what kind of message would that have been to send to his team.

 

So, you admit, he picked Carpenter, not becuase he is the best choice, but because he is his own player. See, thats what we wanted you to admit.

 

And milk, i'm not carried away. Look at a pitcher like wood. He is better than some guys who go out there and win alot more games than him. But whose fault is that? Not all woods. How is it his fault he is blessed with a BAD offense.

 

Now, yes, 300 wins is a big deal. Because, no body wins THAT many games without being darn good. Take Clemens for example. He is a 300 game winner because he is a great pitcher. But is he any less of a great pitcher this year because he isnt getting run support? no.

[Mizzou]

You could pick any of those 4 pitchers and have arguments for the other 3. Bottom line, the Cards have the best record in the NL, Carp is the ace of the staff, and Tony is the Cards manager. If he had picked anyone other than Carp, he would have had hell to pay in St. Louis. And what kind of message would that have been to send to his team.

 

This is the NL All Star team, not the Cardinals All Star team. Bottom line is that the best pitcher this year should be starting... and that's not Carpenter.

[ManEatingTarp]

You could pick any of those 4 pitchers and have arguments for the other 3. Bottom line, the Cards have the best record in the NL, Carp is the ace of the staff, and Tony is the Cards manager. If he had picked anyone other than Carp, he would have had hell to pay in St. Louis. And what kind of message would that have been to send to his team.

 

This is the NL All Star team, not the Cardinals All Star team. Bottom line is that the best pitcher this year should be starting... and that's not Carpenter.

 

In your opinion.

 

If the situation was Dusty managing, and Prior had the same stat line as Carpenter, what would you want him to do? The Chicago media, this board, and most importantly his players would be furious if he didn't start Prior.

Does Clemens have great #s? Yes. But he's only won 7 games. He got shelled in last years ASG, and Carpenter has been the best pitcher in baseball the last month and a half.

[Mizzou]

You could pick any of those 4 pitchers and have arguments for the other 3. Bottom line, the Cards have the best record in the NL, Carp is the ace of the staff, and Tony is the Cards manager. If he had picked anyone other than Carp, he would have had hell to pay in St. Louis. And what kind of message would that have been to send to his team.

 

This is the NL All Star team, not the Cardinals All Star team. Bottom line is that the best pitcher this year should be starting... and that's not Carpenter.

 

In your opinion.

 

If the situation was Dusty managing, and Prior had the same stat line as Carpenter, what would you want him to do? The Chicago media, this board, and most importantly his players would be furious.

Does Clemens have great #s? Yes. But he's only won 7 games. He got shelled in last years ASG, and Carpenter has been the best pitcher in baseball the last month and a half.

 

Well sure I'd want Prior to start the All Star game. I don't blame you for wanting Carp to start, but I don't see how you can expect him to start, other than you being a Cards fan. And you're right, Carp has been amazing the last month and a half... but he was nothing but average prior to that. Clemens, on the other hand, has been consistently amazing all year.

[The Mole]

Three guys deserve the start. Carpenter is one of them. He's pitched outstanding the last month and a half, he's won 13 games and has a great WHIP. Of course Larussa is going to start him, as would any other intelligent manager in his place. Everyone is going to get to pitch, just relax. Your letting your cardinal hatred cloud your judgement.

[Chocolate Milk]

And milk, i'm not carried away.

 

Yes, you are.

 

Wins, really, have nothing to do with the pitcher

 

Come now. Are you saying the pitcher has no impact in the game whatsoever? I understand that as a stand alone stat, win's are more a measure of the team's preformance than the individual pitcher's. But, the team's preformance (W-L record) is a reflection of the preformance of the Batting and the Pitching. You cannot say that it has nothing to do with the pitcher. It's completely absurd to say so.

[reggiemiller rules]

I really dont see what the argument is, every coach picks his own guys if he has the chance, and he has the right to hes the coach. If Dusty was the coach and one of the cubs pithers was in the same positon as carpenter, I would have no problem with Dusty picking him. There is nothing wrong with showing loyalty to your guys, as long as he is deserving, and Carp is defintley deserving to be in the running for it.

[J.R.]

I really dont see what the argument is, every coach picks his own guys if he has the chance, and he has the right to hes the coach. If Dusty was the coach and one of the cubs pithers was in the same positon as carpenter, I would have no problem with Dusty picking him. There is nothing wrong with showing loyalty to your guys, as long as he is deserving, and Carp is defintley deserving to be in the running for it.

 

Why, oh why couldn't Francona have taken one of "his guys?"

 

I hate it when Sox players get recognition, rewards, bonuses, birthday parties, etc.

[reggiemiller rules]

Well Clement was the only Red Sox pitcher, and he hasnt been as good as Buherle, I think he has been better then Garland. But overall he wasnt one of the top 2 or 3 pitchers in the AL.

[somechick]

Will someone please explain how Clemens getting shelled in a game A YEAR AGO somehow eliminates him from being deserving of starting the game for this year, yet the same people making this claim think Buerhle is completely worthy despite getting lit up in his PAST 2 starts. Ummm, yeah, makes sense to me.