Question of the week: Are you ready to move on from Jed?

[PeanutPunch33]

44 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Where is this large sample size to prove the a Phillies have a more talented line up than the Cubs? Is it the entire 2025 season where the Cubs outscored the Phillies? Nope, that can’t be it. Is it this year where the Cubs have outscored the Phillies by 50+ runs? That doesn’t seem right either. So where is the proof their line up is better because the “stars” they have? For the record, I would take the Cubs starting 9 over then Phillies any day. And they have proven to be better. 

Is the goal to be better than the Phillies or to be better than the Dodgers!?  I don’t get why you keep bringing them up.  It makes no difference to me.  This is not a WS caliber lineup.  As of right now the Cubs aren’t even better than the Cardinals.  

Edited Saturday at 07:01 PM by PeanutPunch33

[PeanutPunch33]

57 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

They already have that in Busch. He's been a top 10 hitter over the last 2 months. But who do you have in mind?

Busch is great.  They need to add another guy like that for me to be all in though.  CJ Abrams would be sweet.  

I know the Cubs don’t have an opening at 2B but for a great hitter I’d still do it.  Use that DH spot for a new acquisition and then try trading someone in the off season.  

Edited Saturday at 07:06 PM by PeanutPunch33

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

Is the goal to be better than the Phillies or to be better than the Dodgers!?  I don’t get why you keep bringing them up.  It makes no difference to me.  This is not a WS caliber lineup.  As of right now the Cubs aren’t even better than the Cardinals.  

I brought up the Phillies because they clearly have 3 guys they paid for their bat in their everyday line up. You have consistently said teams need at least 2 so that they will score a lot of runs. The Phillies are a perfect example of the opposite of what you are saying. Even with those bats they paid for who are “star” bats they score less than the Cubs. Cubs have a better line up. And this lineup is absolutely good enough to win the WS. And if it isn’t, no line up is good enough to compete with the Dodgers. Cubs have probably a top 8 line up in the game. And a bottom 8 pitching staff. Seems clear to most people, with the exception of you, that adding pitching is by far the biggest need for this team. 
BTW, nice job moving the goal posts in this discussion. No one ever talked about being as good as the Dodgers. The conversation is about what helps the Cubs more. But since you moved the goal post to being better than the Dodgers, even if they added Alvarez, they wouldn’t be better than them Their staff would still be 25th in baseball. 

[PeanutPunch33]

19 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I brought up the Phillies because they clearly have 3 guys they paid for their bat in their everyday line up. You have consistently said teams need at least 2 so that they will score a lot of runs. The Phillies are a perfect example of the opposite of what you are saying. Even with those bats they paid for who are “star” bats they score less than the Cubs. Cubs have a better line up. And this lineup is absolutely good enough to win the WS. And if it isn’t, no line up is good enough to compete with the Dodgers. Cubs have probably a top 8 line up in the game. And a bottom 8 pitching staff. Seems clear to most people, with the exception of you, that adding pitching is by far the biggest need for this team. 
BTW, nice job moving the goal posts in this discussion. No one ever talked about being as good as the Dodgers. The conversation is about what helps the Cubs more. But since you moved the goal post to being better than the Dodgers, even if they added Alvarez, they wouldn’t be better than them Their staff would still be 25th in baseball. 

Well the 3 guys that the Phillies paid for got them to 1 WS and close to a 2nd.  What have the 3 guys the Cubs paid for done for them?? We wouldn’t even be having this convo if those guys didn’t have a combined OPS that begins with with a 6.  

The Phillies are a perennial playoff team with the way they’ve built their team.  The Cubs are not.  I’m not moving the goal posts at all.  They need more additions than just pitching to become a true contender.  

Im not sure why it’s so controversial to you that people want the Cubs to have better players in the lineup than they currently have lol.  Did they win a WS that i missed.  It seems like they can’t even compete for their own division.  They got pretty good starting pitching last year and still didn’t come close.  The issues are more than just the pitching.  

We’ve gone back and forth on this topic so often that this will be my last comment on it for a while.  We are both just beating a dead horse at this point.  

Edited Saturday at 08:57 PM by PeanutPunch33

[PeanutPunch33]

edit wrong thread 

Edited Saturday at 09:07 PM by PeanutPunch33

[Rcal10]

44 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

Well the 3 guys that the Phillies paid for got them to 1 WS and close to a 2nd.  What have the 3 guys the Cubs paid for done for them?? We wouldn’t even be having this convo if those guys didn’t have a combined OPS that begins with with a 6.  

The Phillies are a perennial playoff team with the way they’ve built their team.  The Cubs are not.  I’m not moving the goal posts at all.  They need more additions than just pitching to become a true contender.  

Im not sure why it’s so controversial to you that people want the Cubs to have better players in the lineup than they currently have lol.  Did they win a WS that i missed.  It seems like they can’t even compete for their own division.  They got pretty good starting pitching last year and still didn’t come close.  The issues are more than just the pitching.  

We’ve gone back and forth on this topic so often that this will be my last comment on it for a while.  We are both just beating a dead horse at this point.  

Phillies have been good for years because they have had 3 horses in their rotation for years. Every year they have had at least 3 of guys like Nola, Sanchez, Wheeler, Suarez and Luzardo in their rotation. And, despite poor defense behind them, they kept runs of the board. It wasn’t the offense that drove them.

Stop framing the discussion into me not wanting to add a bat to the line up. Obviously if they could get Alvarez that is a huge boost. But they can’t. Nor could they get Abrams.
The discussion is what helps the team more, a stud bat or a stud pitcher. I think it is obvious to most people a pitcher is the biggest need. I would  go as far as saying they need 3 pitchers before even concerning themselves with a bat. Players on the current roster could solve whatever problem you seem to have with this line up, provided they play back to their norm. The pitching staff cannot fix itself. The Cubs aren’t just an average to a little above average team because their offense fails them. They are where they are because their staff is bad, whether it be because of injuries or just plain lack of talent. That is just the fact. Pitching is where they need to get better.