Chicago Blackhawks offseason

[gflore34]

Being reading and hearing Seth Jones and Bowen Byram in the same sentence. Don't think Byram can be as worthless and bad as Jones but, to be already mentioned in such comparisons is concerning.

[Derwood]

Just now, gflore34 said:

Being reading and hearing Seth Jones and Bowen Byram in the same sentence. Don't think Byram can be as worthless and bad as Jones but, to be already mentioned in such comparisons is concerning.

Still don't know why Jones turned into a pumpkin the second he left Columbus, especially considering he begged off the Blue Jackets to begin with

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, Derwood said:

Still don't know why Jones turned into a pumpkin the second he left Columbus, especially considering he begged off the Blue Jackets to begin with

Yeah, I didn't get the lack of effort and just flat out dogging it.

[Derwood]

12 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Yeah, I didn't get the lack of effort and just flat out dogging it.

Maybe he thought Columbus was bad but then realized the problem was him, not the team? Chicago not any better for him?

[jersey cubs fan]

Seth Jones was and is fine. 
 

the problem was trying to make him the savior of a dying dynasty and then him being on a compete dumpster fire of a team 

[jersey cubs fan]

3 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Seth Jones was and is fine. 
 

the problem was trying to make him the savior of a dying dynasty and then him being on a compete dumpster fire of a team 

Which very well could end up being the same issue with Byram, who should be fine but probably should not be treated like a #1 D with a $12m contract for a team lacking star player at F.

[Derwood]

4 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Seth Jones was and is fine. 
 

the problem was trying to make him the savior of a dying dynasty and then him being on a compete dumpster fire of a team 

His +/- on Chicago is brutal. A basic, not very analytical stat, sure, but it points to how awful those teams were

[Derwood]

[Old Style]

20 hours ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Buccigross reporting San Jose offered 9, 27 and a prospect.

 

WTF??????

[NorthsideAvenger]

39 minutes ago, Old Style said:

WTF??????

Supposedly #5  pick was also on the table. If all of this is true, then Byram's market was very hot. Would I still make that particular trade for him? No. It's good to know that KD was NOT the only GM being overly aggressive about Byram. 

[17 Seconds]

21 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Supposedly #5  pick was also on the table. If all of this is true, then Byram's market was very hot. Would I still make that particular trade for him? No. It's good to know that KD was NOT the only GM being overly aggressive about Byram. 

yeah this makes me feel slightly better

[jersey cubs fan]

If Buffalo ends up dealing 4 for Knies or Stenberg drops there I’m gonna be furious. 
 

Rumors about Robertson and others are probably smoke but the trade he made does mean Davidson has to be more IN on the present day than ever. You can’t trade for and presumably sign a (we are praying) 1D and then not also try and get better up front. If he’s done stockpiling 1s, then go ahead and deal all three next year for something good. Sign Bedard, Byram and the new guy to big deals and you have your core, with a bunch of cheap talent around them for two years. Figure out who to keep later. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

52 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

If Buffalo ends up dealing 4 for Knies or Stenberg drops there I’m gonna be furious.

Supposedly Toronto was asking for 4, Frondell+ for Knies. If Buffalo gives up less than that for Knies, then yeah I will be furious.

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As for Jason Robertson, SEA was given permission to talk to him and they made an 8 year offer. Robertson turned them down. St. Louis also made an offer and supposedly Robertson won't even consider signing with the Blues. 

Edited June 26 by NorthsideAvenger

[Derwood]

I don't think ESPN liked the trade, guys

[jersey cubs fan]

They traded Burakovsky…, must be clearing cap space 

[Wilson A2000]

[jersey cubs fan]

8 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Sure they needed to take some steps. But it’s not just out of town people ripping the deal. This is such typical parochial BS from Chicago guys. The value transaction is just so way off. They gave up draft capital and D depth and now they are also forced to give #1 Dman money to a guy who has never shown an ability to be one. Byram could run the power play but you do not want him on the PK. He was the 4th option there in Buffalo and he’s going to be thrust into top 2 in Chicago where Connor Murphy and Louis Crevier are now gone after eating so much of that time.
 

It could eventually work out but Davidson painted himself into this corner because he’s spent so much draft capital on guys who “should” be that #1 who are also nowhere close to it. He’s used 4 first round picks (three of them top ten) on D and they still have a need for more. 
 

They also still don’t have a legit top 6 forward grouping. They need Byram to do more than he’s ever done plus they need multiple forward prospects to take big leaps this season, or they will be right back to one of the teams hoping for lottery luck. 

[17 Seconds]

6/75 for Byram

[jersey cubs fan]

15 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

6/75 for Byram

12+ aav for a second pairing defenseman from a team that won one round of playoffs. Highest paid D in the league (for now). 
 

unbelievable asset management silliness by Kyle. 
 

have to assume Bedard soars past this number. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

12+ aav for a second pairing defenseman from a team that won one round of playoffs. Highest paid D in the league (for now). 
 

unbelievable asset management silliness by Kyle. 
 

have to assume Bedard soars past this number. 

Time will tell. Bowen was only a 2nd pairing because there were two pretty dang good guys in front of him in Buffalo. With that said, he has a chance to prove he is a legit 1D, if he can't, he will probably get KD fired. 

[Rex Buckingham]

I just don't get how you trade #4 and don't get Bedard any help on his wing.  He is the centerpiece of this whole organization and he's had to center a bunch of 3rd/4th line guys (Burakovsky, Donato, Bertuzzi, etc.) and/or young dudes with what's probably a 2nd line ceiling (Nazar, Lardis, etc.)

[jersey cubs fan]

Montreal extends Ivan Demidov to 8 year and 9.5m aav, another reminder of the missteps along the way in Davidsons plan. Arty’s inability to show signs of improvement is a major factor why they made such a bad trade and contract for Byram. 
 

Ivan would easily be the second best forward on the Blackhawks.

 

see also Nico Hischier, a proven top 6 center and captain signing for fewer years and lower AAV than the unproven Byram. 

Edited July 1 by jersey cubs fan

[jersey cubs fan]

Mikheyev signs 4 years under 4m aav. 
Hawks get a 4th line penalty killing forward Cole Smith for 3/3aav. 
also Ian Cole 1/4, who’s a LH penalty killing D.

 

they have a plethora of LHD and only 2 RHD. Byram is probably going to be on his off hand. 

[jersey cubs fan]

Dylan Anhorn, assume he’s Rockford bound 

[jersey cubs fan]

Just now, jersey cubs fan said:

Dylan Anhorn, assume he’s Rockford bound 

Same with Connor Mackey