USA Today: Friction in Cubs Front Office - Jed Hoyer will return in 2025

[Jason Ross]

18 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I might be misunderstanding what front office is, but I thought that was separate from the business side. I thought front office was considered baseball ops. 

It depends on how Bob is defining "front office". While they're "separate" I don't think they're separate, if that makes sense. Business and baseball overlap in many ways. The Cubs, for example, are in an uncertain RSN future currently with Marquee (business). But we also know that in 2020 Covid hurt business and the Cubs slashed payroll (baseball). 

There being friction between the two would be real. If Bob is considering baseball ops and business ops "front office" in general, it could be the friction. It also might not be. But in the past, Crane hasn't been against causing some friction, so I think it's worth at least allowing into the realm of realistic possibilities in terms of where the "friction" could be. 

I really don't know where the friction is myself. Hell, it could be super overblow. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

Or maybe Hawkins just didn't want to trade for Paredes and lose Bigge and Johnson (whoa, look at his A+ numbers with TBR)

[CubinNY]

4 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

It depends on how Bob is defining "front office". While they're "separate" I don't think they're separate, if that makes sense. Business and baseball overlap in many ways. The Cubs, for example, are in an uncertain RSN future currently with Marquee (business). But we also know that in 2020 Covid hurt business and the Cubs slashed payroll (baseball). 

There being friction between the two would be real. If Bob is considering baseball ops and business ops "front office" in general, it could be the friction. It also might not be. But in the past, Crane hasn't been against causing some friction, so I think it's worth at least allowing into the realm of realistic possibilities in terms of where the "friction" could be. 

I really don't know where the friction is myself. Hell, it could be super overblow. 

I think it's between Counsell and the front office. There was an article in The Athletic about a game and Sharma put in a paragraph about Counsell being in "observational mode" for much of the year and hinting at changes in staff. But it very likely could be what Goony was talking about with the scouts, Jed and Kartonvitz (sp?). 

[Backtobanks]

On 9/9/2024 at 5:40 PM, Irrelevant Dude said:

Hoyer will never hurt things long term, because he isn't willing to take a big enough risk that it could actually hurt the team in the future.  Instead we get persistent mediocrity in the short term.

Are you sure the mediocrity is only short term?

[Irrelevant Dude]

42 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

Are you sure the mediocrity is only short term?

No, that's why I called it persistent mediocrity.  The future is always bright. The present is always mediocre.