Bears off-season thread 2022

[WrigleyField 22]

Oh horsefeathers. He had foot surgery at end of year.

 

Well no idea what they're gonna spend any money on now.

[UMFan83]

Oh horsefeathers. He had foot surgery at end of year.

 

Well no idea what they're gonna spend any money on now.

 

They're gonna make Tom Ricketts look like a big spender

[jersey cubs fan]

Kyle came

[WrigleyField 22]

Oh horsefeathers. He had foot surgery at end of year.

 

Well no idea what they're gonna spend any money on now.

 

They're gonna make Tom Ricketts look like a big spender

Might as well just splurge on some non CFA guys on 1 year deals even if you run up the price. Could still end up getting a 3 or 4 for ARob and 5th for Daniels in next years comp pick. But they are all offset right now with a few more departures who could factor in.

[jumbo]

Oh horsefeathers. He had foot surgery at end of year.

 

Well no idea what they're gonna spend any money on now.

 

I'm not terribly upset about this. I think he was seriously overpaid at 3/40.5 just for who he is, not to mention that signing a pure 3T is somewhat of a luxury for a team that needs so much help on offense. I'd like to see bigger contracts for cut players like JC Tretter, Lael Collins, etc. Comp picks could be coming back if handled carefully, but obviously still target the best players for the scheme.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Oh horsefeathers. He had foot surgery at end of year.

 

Well no idea what they're gonna spend any money on now.

 

I'm not terribly upset about this. I think he was seriously overpaid at 3/40.5 just for who he is, not to mention that signing a pure 3T is somewhat of a luxury for a team that needs so much help on offense. I'd like to see bigger contracts for cut players like JC Tretter, Lael Collins, etc. Comp picks could be coming back if handled carefully, but obviously still target the best players for the scheme.

 

how easy is it to find a decent 3t nowadays? I remember how important Tommie Harris was to that defense, not sure if Ogunjobi was "the guy", but it seems like they are harder to find

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

The 2 WR moves don't really move the needle for me much. I actually like Pringle a lot. He worked his way up the KC depth chart and was essentially their 3rd/4th weapon behind Hill/Kelce late in the year. But we have to put in perspective that his "breakout" season in 2021 was at at 28 and still less than 600 yards for a team that had like 2000 more yards passing than the 2021 Bears did. He's OK as a 3rd WR, but more ideal as a 4 WR who has a chance to work his way to a 3 like he did in KC. But it's a 1-year deal, so he's clearly not being looked at as a building block. Just a spot on the 53 in a rebuilding year.

 

St. Brown is frankly, not good. He's a bottom of the roster player. He was the 5th WR and like the 9th or 10th option (behind RBs and TEs) in GB. While they were a good offense, remember this is a team that people have said "doesn't have enough weapons" for years with St. Brown on the roster that he couldn't crack the rotation of. He's a special teamer at best, who should not get reps over Dazz Newsome at this point.

 

St. Brown is indeed trash. Classic Packers non-NFL player who Rodgers made look like an NFL player, and even then he's a bottom feeder. He's a waste of space.

I'm not as certain about that. The Packers kind of have set roles on their offense, and St. Brown was largely the fill in for Adams in the "large route tree" role. He had a few chances to shine when Adams was injured and most clearly did not, plagued by drops and, well, not being Adams. But when he got a few routes here and there to spell Adams he always looked really good, and the separation metrics on him were also strong. I wouldn't automatically write him off.

[WrigleyField 22]

Oh horsefeathers. He had foot surgery at end of year.

 

Well no idea what they're gonna spend any money on now.

 

I'm not terribly upset about this. I think he was seriously overpaid at 3/40.5 just for who he is, not to mention that signing a pure 3T is somewhat of a luxury for a team that needs so much help on offense. I'd like to see bigger contracts for cut players like JC Tretter, Lael Collins, etc. Comp picks could be coming back if handled carefully, but obviously still target the best players for the scheme.

 

how easy is it to find a decent 3t nowadays? I remember how important Tommie Harris was to that defense, not sure if Ogunjobi was "the guy", but it seems like they are harder to find

Does seem like a little bit of a specialized skill set. As Tampa 2 waned in popularity and the hybrid 3-4s like Fangio got popular young tweener prospects were pushed towards 5t roles.

 

I had Ogunjobis Y1 hit estimated to be as low as 5M. So from a pure cap situation, Poles may not feel like there is a 13M hole to fill and will just let his cap rollover into next year's huge space. Not a fan of that approach, but it's kinda what I expect.

[Splendid Splinter]

Could the Bears still sign him again? Like on a 1 yr "prove you bounce back healthy" type deal at a low cap hit since he won't have that big of market now teams know he failed a physical.

 

Not sure if that ever happened where a team not sign a player cuz of a physical, but offered another deal at a lower price because of it.

[WrigleyField 22]

Could the Bears still sign him again? Like on a 1 yr "prove you bounce back healthy" type deal at a low cap hit since he won't have that big of market now teams know he failed a physical.

 

Not sure if that ever happened where a team not sign a player cuz of a physical, but offered another deal at a lower price because of it.

Yea I think if he were able to get healthy and pass a physical it could happen.

[Splendid Splinter]

Never mind. I guess Poles decided to sign Justin Jones for 3T. That'll save them some money to spend it elsewhere. Not sure if this signing change the comp picks or not though.

[WrigleyField 22]

Never mind. I guess Poles decided to sign Justin Jones for 3T. That'll save them some money to spend it elsewhere. Not sure if this signing change the comp picks or not though.

Partially depends on where Jones comes in at. If his AAV comes in above 2.3M or so it doesn't change a lot. There's obviously a valuation difference, but being 1 for 1 on losses v gains matters mostly, not total value.

 

As it stands now, Bears don't project to gain any comp picks. Thats actually true regardless of where Jones comes in. But whether he counts or not could be a deciding factor later on if things are close.

 

But I'd say leave the comp pick worries behind for 2023 at this point. If enough of these 1 year prove it deals hit maybe 2024 comp picks become realistic lol.

[raw]

I like Jones a lot, actually. And this move may end up better than Ogunjobi in the long run anyway....because they should be looking to draft the most important positions anyway.

 

In this defense, the important positions are:

DE- they spend an early pick on when Quinn is gone

LB- think they'll add a potential long term Mike in this draft

DT- should look for a 3T early and Jones makes it so you don't have to thrust the rookie into the starting lineup right away, while Ogunjobi meant ignoring the position for 2-3 years.

 

Now go spend money on OL.

 

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[jumbo]

I like Jones a lot, actually. And this move may end up better than Ogunjobi in the long run anyway....because they should be looking to draft the most important positions anyway.

 

In this defense, the important positions are:

DE- they spend an early pick on when Quinn is gone

LB- think they'll add a potential long term Mike in this draft

DT- should look for a 3T early and Jones makes it so you don't have to thrust the rookie into the starting lineup right away, while Ogunjobi meant ignoring the position for 2-3 years.

 

Now go spend money on OL.

 

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Now signing DE Muhammad from the Colts

[minnesotacubsfan]

I like Jones a lot, actually. And this move may end up better than Ogunjobi in the long run anyway....because they should be looking to draft the most important positions anyway.

 

In this defense, the important positions are:

DE- they spend an early pick on when Quinn is gone

LB- think they'll add a potential long term Mike in this draft

DT- should look for a 3T early and Jones makes it so you don't have to thrust the rookie into the starting lineup right away, while Ogunjobi meant ignoring the position for 2-3 years.

 

Now go spend money on OL.

 

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Now signing DE Muhammad from the Colts

 

I'm not a huge fan of new coach picking off his former players (I think coaches can be guilty of over-rating their players sometimes), but I love that Muhammad is younger-ish. It'll be interesting to see if he can build off of his 6 sacks from last year

[BigbadB]

DeShawn Watson is picking Cleveland, which hopefully means the Bears can get Armstead.

[WrigleyField 22]

I like Jones a lot, actually. And this move may end up better than Ogunjobi in the long run anyway....because they should be looking to draft the most important positions anyway.

 

In this defense, the important positions are:

DE- they spend an early pick on when Quinn is gone

LB- think they'll add a potential long term Mike in this draft

DT- should look for a 3T early and Jones makes it so you don't have to thrust the rookie into the starting lineup right away, while Ogunjobi meant ignoring the position for 2-3 years.

 

Now go spend money on OL.

 

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Now signing DE Muhammad from the Colts

Yea Bears aren't getting a comp pick. He's 2/10. There's no way we have more departures than arrivals for CFAs.

 

Not a huge thing. Hopefully something the eventually get just by drafting well.

[WrigleyField 22]

2/12 for Jones. More than I thought.

 

So

Pringle - 6m

Jones - 6

Muhammad - 5

Morrow 2.5 (up to 5)

Patrick - 4

St Brown??

 

St Brown is probably near minimum. So Poles has handed out like 25-27M in AAV contracts, mostly on one year deals, about $40M in total contracts.

 

If they were really trying they should have been handing out like 60M in AAV contracts based on my formula lol.

 

Bears will have gobs of cash next year, but look not further than the 2022 Jaguars to see what it's actually like when a bad team actually tries to utlizie cap room like that. They're roundly being criticized for the 120M in AAV contracts theyre dropping this offseason.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think all the fans who wanted Dodds because he was gonna be their Ballard are getting a version of it to the extreme (and I hate it).

 

Still a little time in FA for Poles to catchup, but they are on pace to be so seriously underleveraged so as to reach way past a point of diminishing returns.

 

 

[UMFan83]

I'm still just so confused about the offense. Are they just hoping that a (potentially) better offensive line and not running Nagy's offense will put Fields in a better position for success next year? Worried about the weapons he has on the roster. I'm sure they'll go offense-heavy in the draft but rookies are rookies. My fear is that not having the weapons makes it hard for him to develop and then the new regime will have an excuse to go find their own handpicked QB.

[Rex Buckingham]

I don't think the offensive line questions can really be answered in the draft, but I think they could get plenty of WR help. It seems like WRs are coming into the league more ready to play right away than ever. If they come away with like George Pickens or David Bell with one of their 2nd round picks, I think that sets them up well.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think the offensive line questions can really be answered in the draft, but I think they could get plenty of WR help. It seems like WRs are coming into the league more ready to play right away than ever. If they come away with like George Pickens or David Bell with one of their 2nd round picks, I think that sets them up well.

A lot of WR have still taken time to adjust (guys like Deebo or Pittman)

 

Theres too major win now teams with multiple 1st round picks before the Bears who badly need WR.

 

Worst thing they can do is pigeon hole themselves. But right now there needs are pretty numerous so I guess it's not a concern?

[Outshined_One]

This offseason has made me really skeptical regarding the immediate impact from offensive players in this upcoming draft class. There have been a number of trades, extensions, and seeming overpays in the last month or so that almost makes it seem like no one thinks there are a bunch of surefire starters coming out of the draft going into next season. It's weirdly comforting that the Bears chose to trade away their first rounder this year to get Fields last year, because if we had gone through a year of Dalton/Foles only to try talking ourselves into Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis...*shudder*

 

So, I'm hopeful the Bears can get some meaningful contributors at WR and OL in the draft, but I get the feeling it might take those guys a year or two to get there.

[David]

This offseason has made me really skeptical regarding the immediate impact from offensive players in this upcoming draft class. There have been a number of trades, extensions, and seeming overpays in the last month or so that almost makes it seem like no one thinks there are a bunch of surefire starters coming out of the draft going into next season. It's weirdly comforting that the Bears chose to trade away their first rounder this year to get Fields last year, because if we had gone through a year of Dalton/Foles only to try talking ourselves into Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis...*shudder*

 

So, I'm hopeful the Bears can get some meaningful contributors at WR and OL in the draft, but I get the feeling it might take those guys a year or two to get there.

 

Justin Fields would go #1 in this draft.

 

That said, this draft is stacked with high end WR talent, from my understanding.

[raw]

I don't think the offensive line questions can really be answered in the draft, but I think they could get plenty of WR help. It seems like WRs are coming into the league more ready to play right away than ever. If they come away with like George Pickens or David Bell with one of their 2nd round picks, I think that sets them up well.

A lot of WR have still taken time to adjust (guys like Deebo or Pittman)

 

Theres too major win now teams with multiple 1st round picks before the Bears who badly need WR.

 

Worst thing they can do is pigeon hole themselves. But right now there needs are pretty numerous so I guess it's not a concern?

 

Deebo had 57-802 yards as a rookie. Pittman 40-503. Mooney was right in the middle of that yards-wise as a rookie. And I don't think a rookie has to be Justin Jefferson and JaMarr Chase right out the gate. I mean, it would certainly help and is sorely needed, but I think Mooney can give you a legit 1000-1200. If you can get a modest 500+ each out of Pringle and a rookie, you're already more productive than all of Robinson, Goodwin and Byrd were all of last year.

 

Plus, I think part of performance is out of necessity. If Fields is good, someone will catch those passes. Of course, the issue is how good can Fields be with question marks at like 8 of the other 10 spots on offense with him.