Bears off-season thread 2022

[CubinNY]

.. Bob Avellini.

 

arent they both from about the same time period?

 

I remember Avellini..but not fondly

 

I believe so, throw some Mike Phipps in there as well, jeez, our Bears have had some horsefeathers QB's.

The list is quite funny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_starting_quarterbacks

[UMFan83]

I don’t even care if it’s SportsMockery, I’m sharing this for the 1% chance it’s true.

 

 

I buy that he has a solid relationship with Getsy, that’s well documented. But I am not sure Adams would have any interest in flipping to the Bears to catch passes from a young QB who struggled last year (even if we have high hopes of him developing in a competent offense the numbers are the numbers).

 

But horsefeathers man he’d be the perfect WR for Fields. I mean he’d be the perfect WR for any QB but if you are looking to build an offense that can get the ball out of the QBs hands quickly, Adams is your man. He was such an important safety value for Rodgers over the last few years as he could run a short route and turn a 4 yard gain into a 40 yard gain like nothing or make ridiculous catches while heavily covered. Then you have Mooney getting open deep due to the defenses attention on Adams and….ahh I need to stop letting my imagination run wild lol.

[WrigleyField 22]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

[Soul]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

[WrigleyField 22]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I kind of think that's exactly what he'll do. Seems comfortable walking if not.

[Soul]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I kind of think that's exactly what he'll do. Seems comfortable walking if not.

 

It also answers people who might say, well X team doesn't have receivers so why would Rodgers go there? Because Adams is coming with him.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I kind of think that's exactly what he'll do. Seems comfortable walking if not.

 

It also answers people who might say, well X team doesn't have receivers so why would Rodgers go there? Because Adams is coming with him.

Yea. As long as Rodgers is willing to retire, he can basically name his landing spot.

 

If he's not actually willing to retire, only to the extent he can make GB believe it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I kind of think that's exactly what he'll do. Seems comfortable walking if not.

 

i dont buy that. Any team that trades for Rodgers will also have to fork over a ton for Adams, and that team will mightily struggle to get them both under the cap unless they have lots of caps pace. I could see Rodgers and Adams going to different teams easier then I could see them both going to the same team not named GB

[jersey cubs fan]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

[UMFan83]

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I kind of think that's exactly what he'll do. Seems comfortable walking if not.

 

i dont buy that. Any team that trades for Rodgers will also have to fork over a ton for Adams, and that team will mightily struggle to get them both under the cap unless they have lots of caps pace. I could see Rodgers and Adams going to different teams easier then I could see them both going to the same team not named GB

 

The Broncos have nearly $40m in cap space so they could do it with relative ease . You'd have to sacrifice in other areas of the roster and restructure deals, but pairing Rodgers/Adams and a solid defense with a stud young RB (Javonte Williams) makes them an immediate contender IMO so it seems like a no brainer is Rodgers really is willing to go to Denver.

Edited February 8, 2022 by UMFan83

[WrigleyField 22]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

While I agree it's different, find me the team that doesn't have a QB and would turn down a Adams/Rodgers pairing where Adams is the highest paid WR. I doubt that team exists. It might not be an official package deal, but I'm sure they'll make their wishes known to said team.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I kind of think that's exactly what he'll do. Seems comfortable walking if not.

 

i dont buy that. Any team that trades for Rodgers will also have to fork over a ton for Adams, and that team will mightily struggle to get them both under the cap unless they have lots of caps pace. I could see Rodgers and Adams going to different teams easier then I could see them both going to the same team not named GB

There probably isn't a team who could trade for Rodgers who couldn't also fit Adams on a mega deal. And if there is one team like that, Rodgers probably eliminates them from contention through back channels.

[BigbadB]

It ain't happening. Unless Rodgers retires I think he goes where he goes. And there's plenty of good young QBs he can go pair with who are further along than the Bears.

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

 

Yeah, I can't imagine Rodgers would want to go somewhere where they aren't already a playoff caliber team. Are there any playoff caliber teams that need a QB and can also afford $30m for Rodgers and $30 for Adams? The rumors I've read is that Adams wants $35m. Doubt anyone gives him that. But, if he really wants money like that, some crappy team with money to burn just might give him a ridiculous contract. Jacksonville?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

 

Yeah, I can't imagine Rodgers would want to go somewhere where they aren't already a playoff caliber team. Are there any playoff caliber teams that need a QB and can also afford $30m for Rodgers and $30 for Adams? The rumors I've read is that Adams wants $35m. Doubt anyone gives him that. But, if he really wants money like that, some crappy team with money to burn just might give him a ridiculous contract. Jacksonville?

30 was the latest rumor. Conventional wisdom probably puts an estimate at like 25, just based on setting a new high watermark in the market.

 

But it's exceedingly easy to squeeze in a big deal. You could give Adams a 150/5 deal and make the year one hit like 7M without even being that funky of a structure (basically 28M bonus and Y1 minim salary).

 

Rodgers contract will be pretty easy to absorb as well. 26M base salary, but that can then be restructured and free up easily 15M with a new backloaded extension.

 

So any team that can have 26M in space, 60-80M cash on hand, and willing to part with 2+ first rounders can make it happen. Not a super high bar. You could even drop that cap number if you were able to convince GB to eat some salary in exchange for more picks.

[WrigleyField 22]

The only rumored team that I think would have some figuring is Titans. They'd really need to find a taker for Tannehill in a trade. Not sure if GB would be willing to run RT out in an effort to stay competetive, but Tannehill and 3 firsts for Rodgers would basically be the Rams-Lions Stafford deal on steroids.

 

Rodgers+Adams+Henry. Good lord.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

While I agree it's different, find me the team that doesn't have a QB and would turn down a Adams/Rodgers pairing where Adams is the highest paid WR. I doubt that team exists. It might not be an official package deal, but I'm sure they'll make their wishes known to said team.

 

do we know that Adams wants to stay with Rodgers? Maybe hes also sick of A-Arons act

 

 

maybe

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

While I agree it's different, find me the team that doesn't have a QB and would turn down a Adams/Rodgers pairing where Adams is the highest paid WR. I doubt that team exists. It might not be an official package deal, but I'm sure they'll make their wishes known to said team.

 

do we know that Adams wants to stay with Rodgers? Maybe hes also sick of A-Arons act

 

 

maybe

I feel like I've heard rumors otherwise, but who knows.

[Soul]

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

 

Fair. I was more trying to get at a top QB wanting some comfort with at least one target as he makes a major move. But yeah, it's not the same situation.

[raw]

The only rumored team that I think would have some figuring is Titans. They'd really need to find a taker for Tannehill in a trade. Not sure if GB would be willing to run RT out in an effort to stay competetive, but Tannehill and 3 firsts for Rodgers would basically be the Rams-Lions Stafford deal on steroids.

 

Rodgers+Adams+Henry. Good lord.

 

They also have a guy named AJ Brown, who would have probably been top 3 in receiving yards this year if he stayed healthy.

 

Rodgers + Henry + Adams + Brown

[raw]

 

Do you think Rodgers would deliberately consider only teams that can afford / have desire to also bring on Adams? I think it's a good question, although I don't know we'd ever have visibility into that. It's kind of like Brady/Gronk. If he's going to make that move, he takes someone else he knows for a fact he can be successful with.

I don't think it is anything like Brady/Gronk. Gronk was a retired dude falling apart physically. Nobody was looking to sign him until Brady went to Tampa. Adams is the best of the best free agents. He'll go where the money goes, not where just where daddy goes.

 

Yeah, I can't imagine Rodgers would want to go somewhere where they aren't already a playoff caliber team. Are there any playoff caliber teams that need a QB and can also afford $30m for Rodgers and $30 for Adams? The rumors I've read is that Adams wants $35m. Doubt anyone gives him that. But, if he really wants money like that, some crappy team with money to burn just might give him a ridiculous contract. Jacksonville?

 

Broncos have 40Mil in cap space. That's enough to sign Adams. If they trade for Rodgers, he'd almost certainly be willing to restructure to make that work.

[UMFan83]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/33092757/re-draft-2021-nfl-draft-new-picks-first-two-rounds-different-teams-micah-parsons-kyle-pitts-justin-fields

 

Interesting re-draft. All the 5 first round QBs go in the same position EXCEPT Fields who drops from 11 to 14. Also Jenkins drops to the Bears 2nd round pick without them having to trade up from 52 to 39

[Soul]

The only rumored team that I think would have some figuring is Titans. They'd really need to find a taker for Tannehill in a trade. Not sure if GB would be willing to run RT out in an effort to stay competetive, but Tannehill and 3 firsts for Rodgers would basically be the Rams-Lions Stafford deal on steroids.

 

Rodgers+Adams+Henry. Good lord.

 

They also have a guy named AJ Brown, who would have probably been top 3 in receiving yards this year if he stayed healthy.

 

Rodgers + Henry + Adams + Brown

 

Rodgers + Henry + Adams + Brown ++ Broadway right across the bridge, with Kid Rock's club full of fellow Ivermectin fans.

 

Score baby.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Another promotion from assistant DL coach to Bears DL coach. The HC, DC, and OC were each bumped up from their previous job level to this level. The special teams coordinator was a lateral move. As far as I can tell every filled position is either a promotion or lateral moves. No former head coaches going back to their specialty. No coordinators, college or pro, filling in at a specific position group. The best thing I can say is I believe they are all NFL coaches. I remember Lovie's first staff having a lot of college coaches moving up, and Nagy obviously had the former college coach as his first OC. But this staff is going to have a lot of guys doing their job for the first time and not a lot of experience to lean on. Kind of risky, but the staff seemingly has upside.

 

At a high level it doesn't look like anybody is fastracked to move up the coaching ladder. If Getsy turns Fields into a best right away it could happen, but I assume he'll have to show a few years of success at the OC position before going to HC. Williams is in his 50s. He could be a candidate if the Bears defense is stout, but with Eberflus at the helm how much credit will he get? Maybe a guy like Borgonzi or Rowe would get consideration for a DC role somewhere in a few years.

 

On the offensive side, maybe Janocko could get a look as somebody's OC if Fields develops well. Tolbert is a longtime WR coach in his 50s, not really the type of resume you expect for a guy moving up the ladder, but passing game coordinator is a new role.

 

Can't really say I'm all that impressed with the staff, but maybe that's a good thing that it is just a professional group, and not necessarily filled with flashy names.

[raw]

 

Another promotion from assistant DL coach to Bears DL coach. The HC, DC, and OC were each bumped up from their previous job level to this level. The special teams coordinator was a lateral move. As far as I can tell every filled position is either a promotion or lateral moves. No former head coaches going back to their specialty. No coordinators, college or pro, filling in at a specific position group. The best thing I can say is I believe they are all NFL coaches. I remember Lovie's first staff having a lot of college coaches moving up, and Nagy obviously had the former college coach as his first OC. But this staff is going to have a lot of guys doing their job for the first time and not a lot of experience to lean on. Kind of risky, but the staff seemingly has upside.

 

At a high level it doesn't look like anybody is fastracked to move up the coaching ladder. If Getsy turns Fields into a best right away it could happen, but I assume he'll have to show a few years of success at the OC position before going to HC. Williams is in his 50s. He could be a candidate if the Bears defense is stout, but with Eberflus at the helm how much credit will he get? Maybe a guy like Borgonzi or Rowe would get consideration for a DC role somewhere in a few years.

 

On the offensive side, maybe Janocko could get a look as somebody's OC if Fields develops well. Tolbert is a longtime WR coach in his 50s, not really the type of resume you expect for a guy moving up the ladder, but passing game coordinator is a new role.

 

Can't really say I'm all that impressed with the staff, but maybe that's a good thing that it is just a professional group, and not necessarily filled with flashy names.

 

Yeah, couldn't agree more. Some of these guys have gotten rave reviews from their former teams (WR coach, OC, QB coach). The assistant position coaches being promoted have come without much fanfare. This staff will be a test of the hiring process the organization used. And I think if they made the right choice at the top (Poles) then the rest will fall in line. I do like the fact that the offensive staff is an eclectic group. Given that they hired a defensive HC and are very Colts centric on that side of the ball, I think it's good that they aren't trying to simply replicate another team's offense. I don't know that it will work, but I do know they won't be as rigid as the last regime was of doing things a certain way. I think they will truly make this about Fields and getting input on what he likes and is good at.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea I mean assiststant coaches rarely get rave reviews. Building new staffs is just that nature of the beast with HC turnover.

 

On the D side Eberflus basically picked up his whole D staff. That's way better than Nagy's first O staff. And obviously Nagy was luck to inherit his D staff.

 

And for as much as yea Getsy is a first time play caller, 3 teams are hiring first time play callers as their head coach. So comparatively, not so bad.