7-5-21 Phillies @ Cubs 8:05P on Marquee

[abuck1220]

sogard with more pitching appearances since 6/19 than kimbrel. is that bad?

[Bertz]

Javy trying to get to KB and the pen to take him with:

 

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Gushue DFAd Cubs sign Chirinos. Here’s your backup catchers:

Wolters 3-24

Higgins 1-23

Romine 1-9

Lobaton 0-11 but 2 big walks in that one game we lost

Gushue 0-4

 

Update: Chirinos 0-1

[17 Seconds]

This bullpen blow up was long overdue

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

5 years ago my faith in the cubs was at an all-time high. right now it's at an all-time low. i don't have faith in ownership or the front office. i think the cubs are going to be irrelevant for a long time. we have to suffer through another rebuild just to hope that a) we hit on prospects and b)ownership is willing to spend when we get close to competitive.

 

the players are bad and unlikable. the front office is dumb. ownership is straight up evil. len is gone. it's just all terrible.

 

treeman got out at the right time

[Bertz]

This bullpen blow up was long overdue

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

I think we're mostly in the clear on the sticky stuff front. Nance has seen his spin rates absolutely crater, and Keegan Thompson's also taken a real hit, but everyone else is down but really not any more than the league as a whole. I am a bit nervous to see Steele back up here, because he was a spin rate monster as well, so I hope he doesn't get Nance'd.

[Sammy Sofa]

This bullpen blow up was long overdue

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

5 years ago my faith in the cubs was at an all-time high. right now it's at an all-time low. i don't have faith in ownership or the front office. i think the cubs are going to be irrelevant for a long time. we have to suffer through another rebuild just to hope that a) we hit on prospects and b)ownership is willing to spend when we get close to competitive.

 

the players are bad and unlikable. the front office is dumb. ownership is straight up evil. len is gone. it's just all terrible.

 

treeman got out at the right time

 

If you had told 2016-me that just 5 years out from the Cubs winning the World Series I would have zero emotional reaction beyond "meh" to the idea of the rest of the key WS players on the verge of being cast aside, I would have laughed in your face.

[mias_tisg]

This bullpen blow up was long overdue

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

I think we're mostly in the clear on the sticky stuff front. Nance has seen his spin rates absolutely crater, and Keegan Thompson's also taken a real hit, but everyone else is down but really not any more than the league as a whole. I am a bit nervous to see Steele back up here, because he was a spin rate monster as well, so I hope he doesn't get Nance'd.

Was Tepera a big spin rate loser? He seemed to fall apart as soon as the crackdown happened.

[Bertz]

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

I think we're mostly in the clear on the sticky stuff front. Nance has seen his spin rates absolutely crater, and Keegan Thompson's also taken a real hit, but everyone else is down but really not any more than the league as a whole. I am a bit nervous to see Steele back up here, because he was a spin rate monster as well, so I hope he doesn't get Nance'd.

Was Tepera a big spin rate loser? He seemed to fall apart as soon as the crackdown happened.

 

No, not really. He's in April/May his 4 seam spin rate was 2250, from June 1 onwards it was 2242. That's nothing. I think his command slipped because he was overworked.

[UMFan83]

This bullpen blow up was long overdue

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

I think we're mostly in the clear on the sticky stuff front. Nance has seen his spin rates absolutely crater, and Keegan Thompson's also taken a real hit, but everyone else is down but really not any more than the league as a whole. I am a bit nervous to see Steele back up here, because he was a spin rate monster as well, so I hope he doesn't get Nance'd.

 

I’m confused on how what you said means the Cubs are in the clear? Nance and Thompson were 2 of the reasons the Cubs bullpen was as great as it was for 6 weeks so having their spin rates plummet means the bullpen was propped up by sticky tack pitchers. And then you say the rest of the pen is down but not more than the rest of the league. Meaning it is down since the ban started meaning sticky substances were likely contributing to their success to some degree. Unless I’m reading your comment wrong.

 

So it goes back to my original comment. The Cubs have had the ability to cobble solid bullpens together from the scrap heap the past 3 or so years. It was one of the few things we could point at and say the Cubs were doing better than the others teams in baseball. It gave me some confidence that the FO was competent. If all of this was driven by being ahead of the curve on using sticky substances than I’m not sure how confident I am in the organization to do anything well.

 

 

Now a caveat - even if the Cubs were heavy sticky tack users, that doesn’t mean it’s the sole reason why they’ve had success, and also the Cubs had no reason to believe that sticky substances would be banned so they get credit for finding a competitive advantage and embracing it. It was just the wrong one it looks like.

[Bertz]

 

Could be overuse but interesting that it started falling apart when sticky tack was banned. Perhaps the pitching lab just just a lab where they developed sticky substances. Sucks if true because it was the most innovative thing they seemed to be doing while the farm system languished and the star hitters all regressed into a bottom tier offense.

 

Yes yes World Series thank you and all that but what is this org doing well right now? I know there is promise in the minors but it’s not exactly a top 15 system at this point is it?

 

Sorry I’m being overly negative and maybe unfair I just see nothing but negatives within the cubs right now

 

I think we're mostly in the clear on the sticky stuff front. Nance has seen his spin rates absolutely crater, and Keegan Thompson's also taken a real hit, but everyone else is down but really not any more than the league as a whole. I am a bit nervous to see Steele back up here, because he was a spin rate monster as well, so I hope he doesn't get Nance'd.

 

I’m confused on how what you said means the Cubs are in the clear? Nance and Thompson were 2 of the reasons the Cubs bullpen was as great as it was for 6 weeks so having their spin rates plummet means the bullpen was propped up by sticky tack pitchers. And then you say the rest of the pen is down but not more than the rest of the league. Meaning it is down since the ban started meaning sticky substances were likely contributing to their success to some degree. Unless I’m reading your comment wrong.

 

So it goes back to my original comment. The Cubs have had the ability to cobble solid bullpens together from the scrap heap the past 3 or so years. It was one of the few things we could point at and say the Cubs were doing better than the others teams in baseball. It gave me some confidence that the FO was competent. If all of this was driven by being ahead of the curve on using sticky substances than I’m not sure how confident I am in the organization to do anything well.

 

 

Now a caveat - even if the Cubs were heavy sticky tack users, that doesn’t mean it’s the sole reason why they’ve had success, and also the Cubs had no reason to believe that sticky substances would be banned so they get credit for finding a competitive advantage and embracing it. It was just the wrong one it looks like.

 

Every team is down, and nearly every pitcher is down. Because MLB decided to put sunscreen on the bad side of the line, something like 80% of guys have some drop in their spin rate, and like a quarter have seen a large drop. This is basically a reverse "rising tides lift all boats" situation.

 

The Cubs having two low pedigree rookies get smoked by this is actually quite lucky. Look at what what happened to the Dodgers:

 

https://twitter.com/No_Little_Plans/status/1409873784811757589?s=19

 

As A TEAM, they've lost more spin than Keegan Thompson. And beyond them, the league average is down ~50 RPMS. The Cubs, or any team, was never going to get through this unscathed. The key is not having a bunch of guys, or one primo guy like Gerrit Cole, get popped.

 

And I wouldn't worry about the pitch lab moving forward. I mean just since this happened Brad Wieck has come back up since this happened and hasn't yet allowed a run. There's also a couple guys doing monster things at Iowa and Tenn. The reliever pipeline is still strong. They need to figure out how to apply those same principles to starters.

[ChiCubsFan]

Who the hell can tell the difference between some of those shades of color?

[ChiCubsFan]

 

The reliever pipeline is still strong. They need to figure out how to apply those same principles to starters.

 

Or abandon starters