Guess what someone with 64 squares did now?

[Rob]

I'm less convinced than Kyle that Hans cheated.

 

Given our respective grasps on the game, that probably means he cheated.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

I got paired with a young teenage kid whose dad sat on the sidelines with a laptop. We were playing a rather famous opening that most serious chess players would know 15+ moves deep (Ruy Lopez marshal counter), and the kid was slamming down each move instantly, showing he knew the line really well. I happened to know a divergence around the 10th move that isn't quite optimal but it gets players out of their comfort zone of memorized lines.

 

Spanish Game players think SO much of themselves.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm less convinced than Kyle that Hans cheated.

 

Given our respective grasps on the game, that probably means he cheated.

 

I don't wanna make it sound like you can't disagree with me. I'm a known idiot.

 

To me it's just known (online) cheater puts up an incredibly improbable result that includes a suspicious move he can't explain.

[Rob]

I'm less convinced than Kyle that Hans cheated.

 

Given our respective grasps on the game, that probably means he cheated.

 

I don't wanna make it sound like you can't disagree with me. I'm a known idiot.

 

To me it's just known (online) cheater puts up an incredibly improbable result that includes a suspicious move he can't explain.

 

Oh, I'm just being cheeky. I've done very little personal investigation into the matter.

 

I just see a bunch of articles by math nerds saying there's no way he didn't cheat. And a bunch saying he definitely did cheat. So I'm calling the quantitative work a wash (though I'd probably look much harder at that if I actually cared about the matter).

 

Qualitatively, we have a kid who definitely cheated in the past. So that works against him. But Magnus is also a bit of a character, so I'm not surprised to see him creating drama. To me, that leaves this whole affair sitting around a coinflip. Not enough to warrant any real impact on this kid going forward, in my opinion... but enough to justify a renewed conversation about the security at these sorts of events.

 

That said, I'm really hoping we get livestreams of the participants forced proctological exams at future events. That's what we're all here for, right?

[stitchface]

"I just see a bunch of articles by math nerds saying there's no way he didn't cheat. And a bunch saying he definitely did cheat."

 

Heads I win, tails you lose?

 

I'm always fascinated that people have the patience to play games like chess. I just can't be that patient.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

"I just see a bunch of articles by math nerds saying there's no way he didn't cheat. And a bunch saying he definitely did cheat."

 

Heads I win, tails you lose?

 

I'm always fascinated that people have the patience to play games like chess. I just can't be that patient.

 

There's a reason blitz and bullet are a million times more popular than longer time controls for most players. Even the pros only play long for major tournaments, they play fast games for stream and fun.

 

I don't think I could sit and play a four hour tournament game anymore. I'm old and my brain isn't as sharp as it was

[Sammy Sofa]

https://defector.com/a-non-exhaustive-history-of-the-theory-and-practice-of-cheating-in-chess/

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://defector.com/a-non-exhaustive-history-of-the-theory-and-practice-of-cheating-in-chess/

 

The fact that Kasparov has never apologized to Polgar still irks me.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

https://defector.com/a-non-exhaustive-history-of-the-theory-and-practice-of-cheating-in-chess/

 

The fact that Kasparov has never apologized to Polgar still irks me.

When are we going to play, btw?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://defector.com/a-non-exhaustive-history-of-the-theory-and-practice-of-cheating-in-chess/

 

The fact that Kasparov has never apologized to Polgar still irks me.

When are we going to play, btw?

 

Iunno. I haven't actually played in forevers.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

The fact that Kasparov has never apologized to Polgar still irks me.

When are we going to play, btw?

 

Iunno. I haven't actually played in forevers.

Alrighty. I'm on call whenever you feel like it. You can pick the time control. You've got me curious.

[Sammy Sofa]

https://gizmodo.com/chess-niemann-cheated-100-online-games-magnus-carlsen-1849616800

 

The fiery cheating scandal consuming the chess world for the past month appears to be coming to a close and it looks like 19-year-old grandmaster Hans Moke Niemann has found himself in checkmate.

 

A newly released Chess.com investigation first viewed by The Wall Street Journal claims Niemann likely received prohibited assistance in over 100 online games with some of the cheating repeatedly occurring as recently as two years ago. In addition to the online games, the investigation found numerous “irregularities” in Niemann’s in-person games. Niemann himself apparently privately confessed to some of the cheating allegations, according to the report.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The chess.com report mainly shows that he cheated online a lot more than he admitted to at this point, including in some events for prize money.

 

Historically, online chess was never considered serious because it would be practically impossible to stop cheating. As long as the cheaters aren't stupid or overly greedy, then can goose up their results a little bit by checking their phones on key moves once in awhile.

 

When the pandemic hit, there were some attempts to bring serious competitive chess online with some prize money, but everyone kinda knew that trying to keep cheating out of it would be like trying to keep PEDs out of the tour de France.

 

People won't be happy with him for cheating in prize money events online, but that's still a much lesser sin than cheating OTB (over the board).

 

They still don't have conclusive proof that he cheated against Carlsen. The "irregularities" in other otb games are awfully thin.

 

The best analogy I've seen so far is that he's a B student with a history of cheating in other classes who suddenly got every answer right on a calculus test that no one had aced in years. After the test, he couldn't show his work to explain how he got the right answer on one of the harder problems. But no one found a crib sheet.

[Sammy Sofa]

Netflix has gotta be desperately trying to resurrect The Queen's Gambit for a cheatin' season.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

No idea what's going on here, but I dig it.

 

https://youtu.be/ESIQ6z94A5E

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Niemann is suing Carlsen and Nakamura for defamation. My 20-year-old media law classwork tells me he probably can't win, but I'm a known idiot.

[Tryptamine]

Niemann is suing Carlsen and Nakamura for defamation. My 20-year-old media law classwork tells me he probably can't win, but I'm a known idiot.

 

How can he win when he admitted to cheating years ago and chess.com said he cheated a lot more than that and a lot more recently? His credibility is non existent.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Niemann is suing Carlsen and Nakamura for defamation. My 20-year-old media law classwork tells me he probably can't win, but I'm a known idiot.

 

How can he win when he admitted to cheating years ago and chess.com said he cheated a lot more than that and a lot more recently? His credibility is non existent.

Well, he's suing chess.com as well, so that's a part of it.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

This current match was always an interesting clash of styles, but I don't think anyone dreamed it would be this action-packed.  No clue how this one finishes up.  

[icefrogg]

On 4/18/2023 at 7:49 AM, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

 No clue how this one finishes up.  

Well, it ended rather unexpectedly for me

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

4 hours ago, icefrogg said:

Well, it ended rather unexpectedly for me

Yeah, before the match started, I was leaning Nepo, but the games up to that point were just so wild, with neither player willing to back down from going on the attack and pressing their opponent.  It came down to nerves, and neither of them seemed to be able to control them completely.  

[icefrogg]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:32 PM, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

Yeah, before the match started, I was leaning Nepo, but the games up to that point were just so wild, with neither player willing to back down from going on the attack and pressing their opponent.  It came down to nerves, and neither of them seemed to be able to control them completely.  

Yeah, but it ended naturally, the strongest won

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Played in my first classical tournament in over 14 years this weekend. Mostly played like garbage, 3/5 in an U1800 section when I'm 2100 rapid on chess.com isn't what I was aiming for.   But horsefeathers got wild before my 4th round match. Sitting and daydreaming before my game with a 12 year old girl, and I notice the guy next to me and his pen. It's all white, and says nothing but "power" in blue text. 

"You're not worried about using that?" 

"Huh?"

"Just seems racist."

"What?!"

"Well, you know, white power?"

"OH Jesus Christ!!!  I don't need this horsefeathers horsefeathers!!"

"....it was just an observation."

He bitches about it for a few more minutes and I choose to ignore him.  His entire game he's slamming pieces around and writing angrily with his racist pen, and then TWO HOURS later he resigns, snaps the pen in two, spikes it on my board, and starts cursing at me again for "calling him a racist."  I tell him he should be embarrassed and to leave. Which he did, cursing all the way out. Chess: serious business. 

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

So I've been watching the finals of the Speed Chess Championship, which is Magnus vs. Hikaru, to no one's surprise. Magnus has been better out of the opening/middle game pretty routinely and built a two game lead, and then all of a sudden Hikaru won a few amazing attacking games, and now is handing Magnus his ass in endgames!  Hikaru has a two point lead entering the bullet portion. If it wasn't for most of the games being Berlins, it would be about as entertaining of a match as possible.