Wild Card Round: #7 Bears @ #2 Saints, 3:40 CT on 1/10

[minnesotacubsfan]

hahahahaha

[Brian]

can't even let team MVP Cairo Santos get one more point?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

That’s my Nickelodeon MVP.

 

[raw]

Lol @ that catch.and walk off

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

can't even let team MVP Cairo Santos get one more point?

 

 

I know right?

 

horsefeathering facists

[Old Style]

My friend had the Bears +11 so the no PAT cost him a push. Why didn’t they kick?

[UMFan83]

My friend had the Bears +11 so the no PAT cost him a push. Why didn’t they kick?

 

They changed the rules a couple of years ago so that they don’t play the PAT play if it doesn’t effect the game. I think this happened after a few situations where they had to wait 5-10 minutes for the other team to come back from the locker room to line up for a meaningless play.

[David]

can't even let team MVP Cairo Santos get one more point?

 

would've gotten me a push on my draftkings profit boost promo bet on the bears at +11. oh well lol.

[WrigleyField 22]

There's no good reason for this team to seriously try and compete next year. And there's a great argument to be made for selling off certain pieces, collecting some comp picks, etc. And hope to compete for the division again starting in 2022.

 

For that reason alone I think I'm done with Pace and Nagy.

 

But I have a feeling they'll use their limited resources to try and patch together a contending team again. :?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

At least the Bears didn’t botch a snap all game.

[UMFan83]

Just for fun. The Bears played a playoff team 7 times this year. They scored 131 points in those 7 games, an average of 18.7 per game. Bad but not as bad as I expected.

 

BUT

 

Looking at it further, 50 of those 131 points were either defensive scores or garbage time TDs (I defined as TDs scored after 7 mins remaining in the 4th and the Bears down 12+ points)

 

So if you take those points out of the equation, the Bears scored 81 points in 7 games against playoff defenses.

 

And I think I’m being generous in only counting 50 points as there was at least 2 FGs in those games where the Bears defense got a TO and the offense didn’t move the ball at all and kicked a FG. There was also a TD the Bears scored in the 2nd quarter against GB when they were down 27-3 and at least one other TD scored with prevent defense (1st Saints game the Bears were down 10 with 5 mins left)

[raw]

Some thoughts:

 

The report came out before this game that Trubisky had to go on a playoff run for the Bears to bring him back. With Nagy coming back, I think that's probably the right call. Nagy clearly doesn't trust him enough to actually let him throw the ball. Trubisky back makes a lot of sense because the Bears don't have the money or resources to guarantee much better, but Trubisky isnt good enough. Unfortunately, Nagy also probably isn't good enough.

 

WR is going to be an interesting position this offseason. You'd think they HAVE to bring Robinson back. But money will be tight. Mooney will be back. But do you bring Miller back? I think he's a WR that can thrive in a better offense w/ a better contract, but him getting ejected with the team shorthanded today and against CGJ like I'm sure he was warned not to retaliate, might have been last straw. Wims isn't good enough either (nothing to do w his huge drop either), so I could see him going. Patterson is a FA. Ridley can't see the field over that punt returner dude. If Robinson walks, it's 2nd year Mooney and a revamped WR room.

 

Defense was good today, considering no Johnson or Roquan. Hicks is a big decision. I wonder w/ Goldman coming back if they give the D one last run with a new DC. I'd personally treat Goldman as a reason to get rid of Hicks and save a 10.5M in cap space. But probably gotta draft DL on the 2nd day of the draft.

 

QB decision obviously makes or breaks this offseason and at least the next 2-3 seasons. Too low in the draft. If Pace is back and running the show alone, does he have the balls (and ammo) to make a big trade up to get one of the top 4 QBs? If not, do the Bears go after another veteran QB? Same names as last year will be available, but I think the Bears go for better instead of just a different project type QB. Jimmy G would be a different option, but is he better? Stafford, Ryan, Wentz, maybe Carr, will be available and I think they all are better (yes, even Wentz), but all will need to be traded for and have big contracts.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Riley Ridley's first name is the same as his last name except there's a "d" in the middle of his last name.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The whole point of trading for Foles was that he would be your bridge QB if/when you cut ties with Trubisky.

 

I'd pass on extending Robinson because I hate contract extensions and am convinced all players over 28 are doomed to look like they chose the wrong cup in an Indiana Jones movie. I'm fine with drafting a WR high if need be.

[WrigleyField 22]

The whole point of trading for Foles was that he would be your bridge QB if/when you cut ties with Trubisky.

 

I'd pass on extending Robinson because I hate contract extensions and am convinced all players over 28 are doomed to look like they chose the wrong cup in an Indiana Jones movie. I'm fine with drafting a WR high if need be.

That was the plan with Foles, though, they may need also need a plan C. They can't (or shouldn't) spend a lot on it, but bring in another body for minimum type and a rookie.

 

Tend to agree on Robinson. Collect the likely round 3 comp pick. They will need to add a vet or two though, for cheaper than ARob, but work on developing Mooney as WR1.

[raw]

Riley Ridley's first name is the same as his last name except there's a "d" in the middle of his last name.

 

LOL. Wait til you find out his real name is Cavin Ridley.....which is the same name as his brother's except without an "l" in the middle of his first name.

[UMFan83]

Some thoughts:

 

The report came out before this game that Trubisky had to go on a playoff run for the Bears to bring him back. With Nagy coming back, I think that's probably the right call. Nagy clearly doesn't trust him enough to actually let him throw the ball. Trubisky back makes a lot of sense because the Bears don't have the money or resources to guarantee much better, but Trubisky isnt good enough. Unfortunately, Nagy also probably isn't good enough.

 

WR is going to be an interesting position this offseason. You'd think they HAVE to bring Robinson back. But money will be tight. Mooney will be back. But do you bring Miller back? I think he's a WR that can thrive in a better offense w/ a better contract, but him getting ejected with the team shorthanded today and against CGJ like I'm sure he was warned not to retaliate, might have been last straw. Wims isn't good enough either (nothing to do w his huge drop either), so I could see him going. Patterson is a FA. Ridley can't see the field over that punt returner dude. If Robinson walks, it's 2nd year Mooney and a revamped WR room.

 

Defense was good today, considering no Johnson or Roquan. Hicks is a big decision. I wonder w/ Goldman coming back if they give the D one last run with a new DC. I'd personally treat Goldman as a reason to get rid of Hicks and save a 10.5M in cap space. But probably gotta draft DL on the 2nd day of the draft.

 

QB decision obviously makes or breaks this offseason and at least the next 2-3 seasons. Too low in the draft. If Pace is back and running the show alone, does he have the balls (and ammo) to make a big trade up to get one of the top 4 QBs? If not, do the Bears go after another veteran QB? Same names as last year will be available, but I think the Bears go for better instead of just a different project type QB. Jimmy G would be a different option, but is he better? Stafford, Ryan, Wentz, maybe Carr, will be available and I think they all are better (yes, even Wentz), but all will need to be traded for and have big contracts.

 

What is the possibility of going after someone like Darnold? I’d love to give him another young QB with upside and have him prove that the struggling offense was due to Mitch and not his own inadequacies. But the price might be too high if there are other suitors (knowing that the Jets have to get rid of him if they take Fields or another QB at 2)

[minnesotacubsfan]

I can't imagine Darnold would cost much at all, and certainly less the. Trubisky

[raw]

Some thoughts:

 

The report came out before this game that Trubisky had to go on a playoff run for the Bears to bring him back. With Nagy coming back, I think that's probably the right call. Nagy clearly doesn't trust him enough to actually let him throw the ball. Trubisky back makes a lot of sense because the Bears don't have the money or resources to guarantee much better, but Trubisky isnt good enough. Unfortunately, Nagy also probably isn't good enough.

 

WR is going to be an interesting position this offseason. You'd think they HAVE to bring Robinson back. But money will be tight. Mooney will be back. But do you bring Miller back? I think he's a WR that can thrive in a better offense w/ a better contract, but him getting ejected with the team shorthanded today and against CGJ like I'm sure he was warned not to retaliate, might have been last straw. Wims isn't good enough either (nothing to do w his huge drop either), so I could see him going. Patterson is a FA. Ridley can't see the field over that punt returner dude. If Robinson walks, it's 2nd year Mooney and a revamped WR room.

 

Defense was good today, considering no Johnson or Roquan. Hicks is a big decision. I wonder w/ Goldman coming back if they give the D one last run with a new DC. I'd personally treat Goldman as a reason to get rid of Hicks and save a 10.5M in cap space. But probably gotta draft DL on the 2nd day of the draft.

 

QB decision obviously makes or breaks this offseason and at least the next 2-3 seasons. Too low in the draft. If Pace is back and running the show alone, does he have the balls (and ammo) to make a big trade up to get one of the top 4 QBs? If not, do the Bears go after another veteran QB? Same names as last year will be available, but I think the Bears go for better instead of just a different project type QB. Jimmy G would be a different option, but is he better? Stafford, Ryan, Wentz, maybe Carr, will be available and I think they all are better (yes, even Wentz), but all will need to be traded for and have big contracts.

 

What is the possibility of going after someone like Darnold? I’d love to give him another young QB with upside and have him prove that the struggling offense was due to Mitch and not his own inadequacies. But the price might be too high if there are other suitors (knowing that the Jets have to get rid of him if they take Fields or another QB at 2)

Forgot about Darnold. The issue with him is he's going to be in the same boat as Mitch was going into this year. Team that drafted him doesn't think he's the answer. 4th year of rookie deal. 9M+ price tag. I'd hate to trade picks for him, not knowing if he can even play. Then if he shows he can, be forced to pay him elite QB money for 1 year of production. More than likely, he'll show flashes, but not be consistently good enough and we're right back in the same boat this time 2022.

 

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[CaliforniaRaisin]

Bears get the 20th pick.

[raw]

The whole point of trading for Foles was that he would be your bridge QB if/when you cut ties with Trubisky.

 

I'd pass on extending Robinson because I hate contract extensions and am convinced all players over 28 are doomed to look like they chose the wrong cup in an Indiana Jones movie. I'm fine with drafting a WR high if need be.

That was the plan with Foles, though, they may need also need a plan C. They can't (or shouldn't) spend a lot on it, but bring in another body for minimum type and a rookie.

 

Tend to agree on Robinson. Collect the likely round 3 comp pick. They will need to add a vet or two though, for cheaper than ARob, but work on developing Mooney as WR1.

 

The point of Foles only worked if Foles was good. But he sucked, and got hurt again. Throwing him out there to start the season is akin to tanking. Nagy/Pace, if here, aren't going to be interested in tanking with their jobs on the line.

 

I'd franchise Robinson. Mooney probably can't be a #1 because there aren't many sub 6', sub 180lb #1 WRs. The only one is Tyreke Hill and Mooney's probably not THAT good (nor does he have a the best TE and QB in the world alongside him). Robinson is a fine player, but I don't want to commit 100M to a WR. And with a QB and hopefully LT in place you can then spend an early pick on WR in 2022 and let him walk.

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Well they don't have much of a choice with Foles, they're at least stuck with his contract, unless they can trade him. So I tend to think they need to run with 3 QBs next year. A vet to compete with Foles, and a rookie who likely won't be ready (and depending where they draft said QB may not be a serious starting prospect, but I do think they gotta draft one somewhere).

 

I think the WR franchise is gonna be over 20m. Robinson is awesome, but with their cap room I just don't see it as the right call. Granted I'm at a point where I don't see the point in agressively trying to compete for 2021 and using it as a reset year. While I wouldn't go all out tank, I'd rather fill out the WR depth with a couple vets and see what Mooney does as the number 1 guy. They still have plenty of roster spots they'll need to fill, which they can do on a budget a max comp picks, as well as trading off the over 30 guys like Hicks and replenish the roster in 2021. 2022 they have cap space, lots more picks and perhaps a better idea on their QB outlook.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I agree that Foles isn't good. How often do you find a good QB in the offseason? Especially without investing massive resources into one?

 

You're picking over everyone else's scraps no matter what.

[raw]

Can we come to a consensus on RPO and read option?

 

RPO = Run Pass Option. Acronym. QB, RB and OL show a run look. QB reads the LB to see if he steps forward or stays home. If comes up, he PASSES into the hole vacated by the LB. If he stays home, its a handoff.

 

Read option the QB reads the backside edge in read option. If he crashes toward the RB, the QB keeps the ball. If he stays put, the QB gives the ball to the RB.

 

Can we all agree these are NOT the same? Different reads for the QB, and no pass option is a huge difference.

 

So for instance, this play is a read option NOT an RPO, right? Mitch should read the end crashing and keep this ball (lead blocker coming with him as well). There is NO pass option as the OL is 5 yards down the field, which is a penalty on a pass.

 

 

People think those terms are interchangeable, but I disagree. Am I crazy? One of the popular Bears podcasts was making fun of a Packers homer because he thought they were different things, when I feel they were the ones that didn't know the difference.

 

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

Can we come to a consensus on RPO and read option?

 

RPO = Run Pass Option. Acronym. QB, RB and OL show a run look. QB reads the LB to see if he steps forward or stays home. If comes up, he PASSES into the hole vacated by the LB. If he stays home, its a handoff.

 

Read option the QB reads the backside edge in read option. If he crashes toward the RB, the QB keeps the ball. If he stays put, the QB gives the ball to the RB.

 

Can we all agree these are NOT the same? Different reads for the QB, and no pass option is a huge difference.

 

So for instance, this play is a read option NOT an RPO, right? Mitch should read the end crashing and keep this ball (lead blocker coming with him as well). There is NO pass option as the OL is 5 yards down the field, which is a penalty on a pass.

 

 

People think those terms are interchangeable, but I disagree. Am I crazy? One of the popular Bears podcasts was making fun of a Packers homer because he thought they were different things, when I feel they were the ones that didn't know the difference.

 

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Pretty sure there was a pass option if you see it from a different angle.

 

 

I'm not a deep Xs and Os guy for football but I am pretty sure I have never seen Trubisky make the correct read on one of these plays. Just by accident you'd think he would get it right once, but he won't.