Wild Card Round: #7 Bears @ #2 Saints, 3:40 CT on 1/10

[Old Style]

Not sure if it was discussed during the game and I don't feel like going back to search for it but did anyone else notice the little confrontation between Miller and Nagy on the sidelines? Miller gave Nagy a nice shoulder thrust to the chest and walked past him. He looked mighty pissed.

It was him getting chewed out by the coach for falling for the think they specifically talked about not falling for, and Miller dismissed him. That's on Miller.

That makes sense. Couldn't remember when in the game that happened.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Miller can go away and never come back. I know we shouldn't be throwing away a moderately talented guy in the last year of a cheap deal, but screw him.

[gflore34]

Not sure if it was discussed during the game and I don't feel like going back to search for it but did anyone else notice the little confrontation between Miller and Nagy on the sidelines? Miller gave Nagy a nice shoulder thrust to the chest and walked past him. He looked mighty pissed.

It was him getting chewed out by the coach for falling for the think they specifically talked about not falling for, and Miller dismissed him. That's on Miller.

That makes sense. Couldn't remember when in the game that happened.

 

Completely on Miller beyond stupid he was so gullible, I'm certain there's more we don't see off camera. No doubt, who ever that horsefeathers #22 is, he's doing more than trash talking, cheap shot here or there, when the play' over, etc. nevertheless, maintain cool, let the officiating take care of him.

[WrigleyField 22]

Miller can go away and never come back. I know we shouldn't be throwing away a moderately talented guy in the last year of a cheap deal, but screw him.

I bet they can get a day 3 pick out of him. So it's exactly the time to walk, because you don't wanna overpay to extend him on some 5-8m/year deal after 2021.

[gflore34]

Miller can go away and never come back. I know we shouldn't be throwing away a moderately talented guy in the last year of a cheap deal, but screw him.

 

Can he take Eddie Jackson with him?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Miller can go away and never come back. I know we shouldn't be throwing away a moderately talented guy in the last year of a cheap deal, but screw him.

 

Can he take Eddie Jackson with him?

 

*looks at Jackson's contract*

 

Nope, probably not.

 

I hate contract extensions so much. Pretend all football players die at 27.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Miller can go away and never come back. I know we shouldn't be throwing away a moderately talented guy in the last year of a cheap deal, but screw him.

 

Can he take Eddie Jackson with him?

 

how much of it is Eddie and how much of it is Paganos use of Eddie?

[Old Style]

Miller can go away and never come back. I know we shouldn't be throwing away a moderately talented guy in the last year of a cheap deal, but screw him.

 

Can he take Eddie Jackson with him?

 

how much of it is Eddie and how much of it is Paganos use of Eddie?

I asked the same about Mack yesterday. But Jackson looked like trash out there this season. My oversized gut says that's more on him than the idiot DC.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Can he take Eddie Jackson with him?

 

how much of it is Eddie and how much of it is Paganos use of Eddie?

I asked the same about Mack yesterday. But Jackson looked like trash out there this season. My oversized gut says that's more on him than the idiot DC.

 

he's sucked since Pagano took over, I'd be willing to give him time with a new DC before I threw him out

[gflore34]

 

Can he take Eddie Jackson with him?

 

how much of it is Eddie and how much of it is Paganos use of Eddie?

I asked the same about Mack yesterday. But Jackson looked like trash out there this season. My oversized gut says that's more on him than the idiot DC.

 

I think its more on Jackson, Mack was being double teamed, horse collared, chopped etc. thought he did about as well as he could. I've been down on Mack since he's basically disappeared but, a good portion of his ineffectiveness has to attributed to the fact no one else can get to the QB, he's doubled teamed, held and Pagano' use of him is made him invisible.

[raw]

Saints defense is good and all that, blah, blah, blah, didn't hurt they were facing a team with a "offensive" HC who's scared of his own shadow. If there's was ever an opportunity to go for broke, yesterday was it, yet, being the dick less coward he is, Nagy attempted his TOP garbage. Before the game announcers suggested Nagy open it up, be aggressive, halftime they suggested he do so again, Romo suggested the same at least, four times. Doesn't fill me with confidence that should a miracle occur and Nagy end up with a competent QB his play calling won't hold them back.

 

 

Nagy will hold them back on offense and Mitch is the perfect QB to do that. Mitch was playing QB for a contract yesterday and couldn't even try for a 1st down on a 4th down scramble. The only thing that they could've kept Nagy was they did play hard for him but now with an issue with the culture of this team, he's done.

 

A poor in-game coach with a poor offensive scheme who can't call games who brings in a DC who can't scheme against a broken QB who elderly and can't throw for more than 5 yards and you play off coverage.

 

They make up for it by having a GM who can't draft. How did that 1st and 2nd Rd combo of Trubisky and Miller do?

 

All trash. horsefeathers em all.

 

My same thought, burn it all down, the approach on defense may have been worse than Nagy' offensive approach. You know the excuse for not being aggressive on D is all personal missing due to injuries. Sometime in these playoffs a team is going to realize Brees is limited and they'll use it to kick the horsefeathers of them.

 

While i certainly wouldn't be upset if they tore it all down, because I'm pretty sure that's how this is going to end ultimately. But I don't think it's necessarily the best course of action right now. A complete tear down includes tearing down personnel. And this team still has Mack, Quinn, Jackson, Whitehair and other big contracts they can't get out of right now. So, you're looking at a torn down front office and coaching staff with the same 8-8 team minus their best offensive player.

 

I also don't think Pace's drafting is bad. His valuation of draft picks is horrible, but just this past draft it looks like they got 3 decent to potentially really good starters (Kmet, Johnson, Mooney) and a couple role players (Vildor, Gipson showed flashes). Montgomery is pretty good. Roquan's a star. Daniels, Nichols, Jackson (most years), Cohen, etc. He finally was able to get this team comp picks.

 

I think the most realistic scenario is that Pace is able to get lucky in a trade for a short term vet QB (so they don't trade up in the draft and have his and Nagy's future tied to another potential QB of the future development), and Nagy is finally able to run the offense he wants w/ a better QB, an improved OL and run game. And if it doesn't work, they can get out all their contracts within 2 years and can properly start over from the top to personnel. But meanwhile, there's hope that the short term QB can become long-term and that Nagy can grow into a Tomlin/Carroll type of leader/motivator of a coach who can have 15 years of success. Sure it's a long-shot, but no less of a chance than it is to go Jags full rebuild which I can't think of a recent time has actually ever worked.

[raw]

 

how much of it is Eddie and how much of it is Paganos use of Eddie?

I asked the same about Mack yesterday. But Jackson looked like trash out there this season. My oversized gut says that's more on him than the idiot DC.

 

I think its more on Jackson, Mack was being double teamed, horse collared, chopped etc. thought he did about as well as he could. I've been down on Mack since he's basically disappeared but, a good portion of his ineffectiveness has to attributed to the fact no one else can get to the QB, he's doubled teamed, held and Pagano' use of him is made him invisible.

 

It's a combination of things w Jackson IMO. Teams legitimately schemed away from him last year and early this year after his 2018. When the Bears were 5-1, he was literally getting 0-2 targets in the pass game. I think Pagano starting to try to manufacture plays for him to make and Jackson pressing to make plays out of desperation, backfired. But a new DC is definitely needed.

 

The hope is a new DC and Quinn coming into to camp healthy (remember he didn't practice like the first 2 weeks, and the drop foot rumors), that guys like Mack and Jackson can get back to 2018 levels. Neither is that old where this is impossible.