Week 15: Bears/Vikings Part 2

[WrigleyField 22]

You’re right about basically the entire roster being replaceable with a good first round pick. The only position I would really blink at drafting someone is TE, where Kmet seems to have it locked down

Kmet has had it locked down all of like 2 games and plenty of good teams utilize 2 TE's.

 

(we can basically do this about every position of we wanna be bearish enough).

 

From a practical perspective I think Pitts is the only TE that will go high and it will likely be in the top 10. But if he drops to the mid first you probably have a compelling value case on your hands.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

You’re right about basically the entire roster being replaceable with a good first round pick. The only position I would really blink at drafting someone is TE, where Kmet seems to have it locked down

Kmet has had it locked down all of like 2 games and plenty of good teams utilize 2 TE's.

 

(we can basically do this about every position of we wanna be bearish enough).

 

From a practical perspective I think Pitts is the only TE that will go high and it will likely be in the top 10. But if he drops to the mid first you probably have a compelling value case on your hands.

 

Agreed. If Pitts is there in the teens, you take him and easily scheme him in with Kmet.

 

CB (Fuller and Johnson + Vildor and Shelley are decent depth even after Skrine is cut) and RB (Montgomery + poor positional value in the first round) are the only positions I would be shocked to see the Bears pick in the first round.

[WrigleyField 22]

Also, damning with faint praise and all, but I felt Mooney was the most exciting young WR the Bears have ever had all year and now he's statistically backed it up:

 

 

(note he's still behind Forte and Ditka for all Bears rookies)

Edited December 22, 2020 by WrigleyField 22

[WrigleyField 22]

You’re right about basically the entire roster being replaceable with a good first round pick. The only position I would really blink at drafting someone is TE, where Kmet seems to have it locked down

Kmet has had it locked down all of like 2 games and plenty of good teams utilize 2 TE's.

 

(we can basically do this about every position of we wanna be bearish enough).

 

From a practical perspective I think Pitts is the only TE that will go high and it will likely be in the top 10. But if he drops to the mid first you probably have a compelling value case on your hands.

 

Agreed. If Pitts is there in the teens, you take him and easily scheme him in with Kmet.

 

CB (Fuller and Johnson + Vildor and Shelley are decent depth even after Skrine is cut) and RB (Montgomery + poor positional value in the first round) are the only positions I would be shocked to see the Bears pick in the first round.

Yea, Etienne looks like RB1 and he's really exciting, but I don't think he's that Rd1 RB value. Though I would pop if there was one there, and not let Montgomery block that.

 

As for CB, Fuller is, as of now l, entering his final contract year and about to enter the downside of the age curve. I think you could argue some need there. Not sure what the Rd1 CBs look like.

[raw]

Anyone else high on Kyle Trask? I would love to pick him up if he’s available. If not I hope the Bears go OT in the first round.

 

not in the first. 2nd, 3rd maybe

 

Trask moves like a slug. After watching Foles play, I'm not super keen on a QB who can't make plays off his mark. Granted, he's much more mobile than Foles, but when you move him off his spot you get a guy that looks like Cousins on that 4th down yesterday. He panics and can make mistakes when not allowed to sit in the pocket and find an open guy. I just think you need a near perfect offense around him (OL, receivers) for him to have great success.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Anyone else high on Kyle Trask? I would love to pick him up if he’s available. If not I hope the Bears go OT in the first round.

 

not in the first. 2nd, 3rd maybe

 

Trask moves like a slug. After watching Foles play, I'm not super keen on a QB who can't make plays off his mark. Granted, he's much more mobile than Foles, but when you move him off his spot you get a guy that looks like Cousins on that 4th down yesterday. He panics and can make mistakes when not allowed to sit in the pocket and find an open guy. I just think you need a near perfect offense around him (OL, receivers) for him to have great success.

 

yea, I hate the idea of drafting him and what I mean is that he is a later round project IMO. But I imagine there are other Kyle Murray/Russel Wilson types out there for the taking who would be more worth the gamble (ie shorter, less attention during college, but more athletic). I just don't know who.

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not in the first. 2nd, 3rd maybe

 

Trask moves like a slug. After watching Foles play, I'm not super keen on a QB who can't make plays off his mark. Granted, he's much more mobile than Foles, but when you move him off his spot you get a guy that looks like Cousins on that 4th down yesterday. He panics and can make mistakes when not allowed to sit in the pocket and find an open guy. I just think you need a near perfect offense around him (OL, receivers) for him to have great success.

 

yea, I hate the idea of drafting him and what I mean is that he is a later round project IMO. But I imagine there are other Kyle Murray/Russel Wilson types out there for the taking who would be more worth the gamble (ie shorter, less attention during college, but more athletic). I just don't know who.

 

D'Eriq King from Miami is a very late pick who makes Kyler Murray look big (probably 5'8-5'9) but super athlete.

 

Desmond Ridder is a nice 2nd or 3rd round guy who kinda has a Kaepernick style vibe to his game. Though my comp for him is Deshone Kizer (take that however you want).

 

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[jumbo]

Anyone else high on Kyle Trask? I would love to pick him up if he’s available. If not I hope the Bears go OT in the first round.

 

The Tankathon mock has us taking Trask in Rd 2 with a G and T in 1 and 3. I'd be OK with a 2nd rd QB.

 

As for the line, I think Massie is cut this offseason but Leno is back. I'd resign Ifedi to another $1M deal to back up RT and try to draft a T in the first two rounds. Take a QB that falls in round 1-3 but don't force it. Interior line actually seems OK with Whitehair/Mustipher/Bars knowing that Daniels will push one to a back up role. I don't know if either Simmons or Hambright are worthwhile developmental pieces but I think both profile as G, and we're currently pretty darn thin at T.

[BigbadB]

Anyone else high on Kyle Trask? I would love to pick him up if he’s available. If not I hope the Bears go OT in the first round.

 

The Tankathon mock has us taking Trask in Rd 2 with a G and T in 1 and 3. I'd be OK with a 2nd rd QB.

 

As for the line, I think Massie is cut this offseason but Leno is back. I'd resign Ifedi to another $1M deal to back up RT and try to draft a T in the first two rounds. Take a QB that falls in round 1-3 but don't force it. Interior line actually seems OK with Whitehair/Mustipher/Bars knowing that Daniels will push one to a back up role. I don't know if either Simmons or Hambright are worthwhile developmental pieces but I think both profile as G, and we're currently pretty darn thin at T.

 

Yeah, Massie can't stay on the field, so I'm guessing he's the one who gets cut. Draft a T in the first round and move Leno to RT.

[gflore34]

Also, damning with faint praise and all, but I felt Mooney was the most exciting young WR the Bears have ever had all year and now he's statistically backed it up:

 

 

(note he's still behind Forte and Ditka for all Bears rookies)

 

To his credit Pace has hit on several non-first round picks now, if he could fix the problem with first rounders.

[raw]

Bears are probably in Trey Lance range, depending on how the NFL feels about Zach Wilson (think draft Twitter likes him more than NFL does). A lot depends on what happens with Trubisky. If Trubisky is gone, they almost certainly have to make a modest move up for a QB to ensure they get one. They can't throw Foles out there. If Trubisky does come back, they can afford to wait for a QB, though I certainly wouldn't pass up Lance or Wilson if in reasonable trade up range or if they fall to wherever the Bears pick.

 

I absolutely LOVE the top tackles in this class. Christian Darrisaw is coming to the Bears in a lot of mocks, but I think he's a top 10 pick. He's every bit as good as those 4 guys who went top 13 last year (2 of which will be all rookie team). Jalen Mayfield (Michigan), Rashawn Slater (Northwestern), Liam Eichenberg (Notre Dame), and I hear Samuel Cosmi from Texas (haven't watched him yet) are all worthy of a pick in the range the Bears will finish at.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bears are probably in Trey Lance range, depending on how the NFL feels about Zach Wilson (think draft Twitter likes him more than NFL does). A lot depends on what happens with Trubisky. If Trubisky is gone, they almost certainly have to make a modest move up for a QB to ensure they get one. They can't throw Foles out there. If Trubisky does come back, they can afford to wait for a QB, though I certainly wouldn't pass up Lance or Wilson if in reasonable trade up range or if they fall to wherever the Bears pick.

 

I absolutely LOVE the top tackles in this class. Christian Darrisaw is coming to the Bears in a lot of mocks, but I think he's a top 10 pick. He's every bit as good as those 4 guys who went top 13 last year (2 of which will be all rookie team). Jalen Mayfield (Michigan), Rashawn Slater (Northwestern), Liam Eichenberg (Notre Dame), and I hear Samuel Cosmi from Texas (haven't watched him yet) are all worthy of a pick in the range the Bears will finish at.

Yea, seems like it's shaking out to be a good year for OT. I guess some are slotting Slater as a OG due to short arms, but others think he'll be fine. I've also seen Mayfield drop into rd2. I think there's some small school guy who could go end of Rd1. Some guy from NDSU maybe? I can't remember his name but I've seen him mocked Rd1.

 

As to QB I'm reading more and more about Wilson maybe being QB2 over Fields and now with the Jets projected at 2 many are speculating they could stick with Darnold for another year if they aren't in a position for Lawrence. They'd still probably have a shot next year for a decent QB prospect if Darnold flops and they can give him a shot under a new regime.

 

So suddenly it's feasible QB 2 is number 4 to Carolina, and could be Wilson. Then Fields could drop. Does Atlanta bite on a QB to replace Ryan? Detroit to replace Stafford? A team like Saints or Indy trade up? SF could look to replace Jimmy G. Either way though you are potentially outside the top 10 for QBs 3 and 4.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bears are probably in Trey Lance range, depending on how the NFL feels about Zach Wilson (think draft Twitter likes him more than NFL does). A lot depends on what happens with Trubisky. If Trubisky is gone, they almost certainly have to make a modest move up for a QB to ensure they get one. They can't throw Foles out there. If Trubisky does come back, they can afford to wait for a QB, though I certainly wouldn't pass up Lance or Wilson if in reasonable trade up range or if they fall to wherever the Bears pick.

 

I absolutely LOVE the top tackles in this class. Christian Darrisaw is coming to the Bears in a lot of mocks, but I think he's a top 10 pick. He's every bit as good as those 4 guys who went top 13 last year (2 of which will be all rookie team). Jalen Mayfield (Michigan), Rashawn Slater (Northwestern), Liam Eichenberg (Notre Dame), and I hear Samuel Cosmi from Texas (haven't watched him yet) are all worthy of a pick in the range the Bears will finish at.

 

 

I completely agree that even if they keep Mitch and they end up with a shot at QB 3 or 4 they should look hard at that. It's tempting for me, however, to grad a stud tackle, draft QB later, and wait until next year for another QB look. With the interior O-line looking like a strength, shoring up the tackles would be huge

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Bears are probably in Trey Lance range, depending on how the NFL feels about Zach Wilson (think draft Twitter likes him more than NFL does). A lot depends on what happens with Trubisky. If Trubisky is gone, they almost certainly have to make a modest move up for a QB to ensure they get one. They can't throw Foles out there. If Trubisky does come back, they can afford to wait for a QB, though I certainly wouldn't pass up Lance or Wilson if in reasonable trade up range or if they fall to wherever the Bears pick.

 

I absolutely LOVE the top tackles in this class. Christian Darrisaw is coming to the Bears in a lot of mocks, but I think he's a top 10 pick. He's every bit as good as those 4 guys who went top 13 last year (2 of which will be all rookie team). Jalen Mayfield (Michigan), Rashawn Slater (Northwestern), Liam Eichenberg (Notre Dame), and I hear Samuel Cosmi from Texas (haven't watched him yet) are all worthy of a pick in the range the Bears will finish at.

 

Man, I really like Darrisaw and Slater (his arm size wasn't an issue against Chase Young in 2019).

 

If they do draft Lance, I hope they do it knowing how raw he is and planning on an offense that will highlight his strengths. Seems iffy that Nagy can do that.

[jumbo]

Given how long it took to get a gameplan suited to Mitch I'm hesitant to ask this team leadership to draft a 2nd round (or raw f1st rd) QB and develop them. But I think it's a chance you have to take as long as you don't want to trade 3 #1 picks to get to teh top of the draft.

[WrigleyField 22]

Given how long it took to get a gameplan suited to Mitch I'm hesitant to ask this team leadership to draft a 2nd round (or raw f1st rd) QB and develop them. But I think it's a chance you have to take as long as you don't want to trade 3 #1 picks to get to teh top of the draft.

Well hopefully once you learn a challenging task, subsequent efforts have a quicker turnaround lol. Though pro sports are rarely the forgiving type of atmosphere that allow the 2nd attempt like that.

[raw]

Given how long it took to get a gameplan suited to Mitch I'm hesitant to ask this team leadership to draft a 2nd round (or raw f1st rd) QB and develop them. But I think it's a chance you have to take as long as you don't want to trade 3 #1 picks to get to teh top of the draft.

 

If you go for a mobile guy like Ridder or Jamie Newman, then this newfound gameplan would translate well to the young QB too. Just gotta take the coaching staff to not be stubborn and learn from their mistakes, which remains to be seen

[minnesotacubsfan]

Newman was the qb I was thinking about above