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New players, still no defense
New players, who (supposed to be guarding) dis?

 

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is it bad if you trade 2 firsts for a 30 year old and then miss the playoffs?

 

Not really. The trade wasn’t done for this year. Even knowing Zach’s ankle was going to get worse as he tried to play through it, AK would still make that trade 10/10 times I’d imagine. Maybe they get lucky and hop into the top 4 if they miss the playoffs? That would obviously be the ideal scenario. More likely they pick somewhere around 8-9, and in that case I’d still rather have Vuc moving forward.

 

Side note I was thinking about which 100% won’t happen...but if you decided you made the wrong move and wanted to trade Vuc before the draft, the odds are pretty high you’d be able to get a top 5 pick. So you could essentially trade this years 8/9 overall pick plus the 2023 FRP for a top 5 pick this year. I’d do that deal being that it’s a 5 player draft.

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I think Vooch is worth it, for a few reasons. He and Lavine can be a good 1-2 on a good team, and I believe that Donovan is a good enough coach that he will figure out how best to use them together. When it comes to draft picks, I know there's a lot of value in having good players on rookie deals (not as much as the NFL, but always a good thing in a capped league), but you're also basically hoping you can draft a guy who will turn into what Vooch already is. Makes sense to go with the known quantity if you're trying to get your roster lined up to contend. I also think that being on a decent team for the first time in his career should be a boost for Vooch and the improvement in the team will help Lavine too, when he's healthy.
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is it bad if you trade 2 firsts for a 30 year old and then miss the playoffs?

 

Not really. The trade wasn’t done for this year. Even knowing Zach’s ankle was going to get worse as he tried to play through it, AK would still make that trade 10/10 times I’d imagine. Maybe they get lucky and hop into the top 4 if they miss the playoffs? That would obviously be the ideal scenario. More likely they pick somewhere around 8-9, and in that case I’d still rather have Vuc moving forward.

 

Side note I was thinking about which 100% won’t happen...but if you decided you made the wrong move and wanted to trade Vuc before the draft, the odds are pretty high you’d be able to get a top 5 pick. So you could essentially trade this years 8/9 overall pick plus the 2023 FRP for a top 5 pick this year. I’d do that deal being that it’s a 5 player draft.

 

You really think you could get a top 5 pick for Vucevic? 5 worst records in basketball are Minnesota, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Cleveland. Which one of them is in position to trade their pick for a 31 year old center? I don't disagree he has value but if Vuc is trading its to a team that is farther along in their rebuild process.

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is it bad if you trade 2 firsts for a 30 year old and then miss the playoffs?

 

Not really. The trade wasn’t done for this year. Even knowing Zach’s ankle was going to get worse as he tried to play through it, AK would still make that trade 10/10 times I’d imagine. Maybe they get lucky and hop into the top 4 if they miss the playoffs? That would obviously be the ideal scenario. More likely they pick somewhere around 8-9, and in that case I’d still rather have Vuc moving forward.

 

Side note I was thinking about which 100% won’t happen...but if you decided you made the wrong move and wanted to trade Vuc before the draft, the odds are pretty high you’d be able to get a top 5 pick. So you could essentially trade this years 8/9 overall pick plus the 2023 FRP for a top 5 pick this year. I’d do that deal being that it’s a 5 player draft.

 

You really think you could get a top 5 pick for Vucevic? 5 worst records in basketball are Minnesota, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Cleveland. Which one of them is in position to trade their pick for a 31 year old center? I don't disagree he has value but if Vuc is trading its to a team that is farther along in their rebuild process.

 

I was assuming 1+ teams will win the lottery and jump up into the top 4. Or perhaps a 3 way trade. Of course I don’t expect, or even think it’s possible, that he gets traded this offseason. Just kind of saying that Vuc’s value to me is still higher than a 2021 non top 5 pick and a 2023 FRP. He has 2 years FAR below market value after this year.

 

Edit: Minnesota’s pick goes to GSW if it falls out of the top 3 as well. Though I’m sure GSW would rather just keep Wiseman and draft Kuminga/Green than trade for Vuc.

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Not really. The trade wasn’t done for this year. Even knowing Zach’s ankle was going to get worse as he tried to play through it, AK would still make that trade 10/10 times I’d imagine. Maybe they get lucky and hop into the top 4 if they miss the playoffs? That would obviously be the ideal scenario. More likely they pick somewhere around 8-9, and in that case I’d still rather have Vuc moving forward.

 

Side note I was thinking about which 100% won’t happen...but if you decided you made the wrong move and wanted to trade Vuc before the draft, the odds are pretty high you’d be able to get a top 5 pick. So you could essentially trade this years 8/9 overall pick plus the 2023 FRP for a top 5 pick this year. I’d do that deal being that it’s a 5 player draft.

 

You really think you could get a top 5 pick for Vucevic? 5 worst records in basketball are Minnesota, Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Cleveland. Which one of them is in position to trade their pick for a 31 year old center? I don't disagree he has value but if Vuc is trading its to a team that is farther along in their rebuild process.

 

I was assuming 1+ teams will win the lottery and jump up into the top 4. Or perhaps a 3 way trade. Of course I don’t expect, or even think it’s possible, that he gets traded this offseason. Just kind of saying that Vuc’s value to me is still higher than a 2021 non top 5 pick and a 2023 FRP. He has 2 years FAR below market value after this year.

 

Edit: Minnesota’s pick goes to GSW if it falls out of the top 3 as well. Though I’m sure GSW would rather just keep Wiseman and draft Kuminga/Green than trade for Vuc.

 

Heck, all that said, the Bulls pick is lotto protected too.

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The rest of the schedule is rough. Not sure how I feel about that. Nabbing Cunningham or Suggs would dramatically raise the ceiling on this team moving forward, obviously.
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At their current position they have about a 20% chance at a top 4 pick. AK was smart to make it top 4 protected. It basically ensures if they suck out and get lucky, they keep their pick to draft one of the top prospects. If they dont, the pick will be after 5, and thus not nearly as valuable this year.

 

I would gladly exchange not making the playoffs for a top 4 pick, but the odds are stacked against them.

17 Seconds Chicago Cubs

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i hope one day our coach figures out how to play our good players when the game is up for grabs in the second half.

 

i don't understand why we went all in on winning and our coach is still dicking around with wacky rotations and giving big minutes to known awful players in key stretches.

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i hope one day our coach figures out how to play our good players when the game is up for grabs in the second half.

 

i don't understand why we went all in on winning and our coach is still dicking around with wacky rotations and giving big minutes to known awful players in key stretches.

 

Yeah that was rough coaching.

 

On the positive sign, it was nice to see the team get some defensive stops down the stretch. I bet the Bulls go on a nice little run here vs some weaker competition.

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