College Basketball 2020-2021

[Tim]

I would have guessed that Vitale had passed away until I found him on this Illinois OSU game.

[Tim]

YEAH BABY! 1 seed coming!

[Sosa21MVP]

IU sucks but I am winning some decent money betting against them. \:D/

[NewUserName]

I would have guessed that Vitale had passed away until I found him on this Illinois OSU game.

 

He seems to be doing a lot more Big Ten games this yr

[cbbryan]

MSU playing much better at home vs Michigan. Hope they hold on.

[cbbryan]

MSU playing much better at home vs Michigan. Hope they hold on.

[UMFan83]

I was against the whole “Illini co-champs thing” had Michigan won today but since they lost I accept it. Finished 2.5% lower in winning percentage, won H2H, and finished 0.5 games ahead in the standings. Hard to argue with certainty that Michigan would go 3-0 in their makeup games.

 

Either way this week hurt as a Michigan fan to go from looking nearly invincible to getting our teeth punched in on Tuesday and then losing to arch rival today though both losses were understandable to some degree.

 

worse yet Michigan lost 2 starters to ankle injuries today so will have to hold my breath and hope they are ok

[cbbryan]

I was against the whole “Illini co-champs thing” had Michigan won today but since they lost I accept it. Finished 2.5% lower in winning percentage, won H2H, and finished 0.5 games ahead in the standings. Hard to argue with certainty that Michigan would go 3-0 in their makeup games.

 

Either way this week hurt as a Michigan fan to go from looking nearly invincible to getting our teeth punched in on Tuesday and then losing to arch rival today though both losses were understandable to some degree.

 

worse yet Michigan lost 2 starters to ankle injuries today so will have to hold my breath and hope they are ok

 

Michigan is clearly a great team, but I tend to agree with you. As an Illini fan I wish Michigan would have been able to complete their schedule so we didn't have to debate the league champ.

[UMFan83]

I was against the whole “Illini co-champs thing” had Michigan won today but since they lost I accept it. Finished 2.5% lower in winning percentage, won H2H, and finished 0.5 games ahead in the standings. Hard to argue with certainty that Michigan would go 3-0 in their makeup games.

 

Either way this week hurt as a Michigan fan to go from looking nearly invincible to getting our teeth punched in on Tuesday and then losing to arch rival today though both losses were understandable to some degree.

 

worse yet Michigan lost 2 starters to ankle injuries today so will have to hold my breath and hope they are ok

 

Michigan is clearly a great team, but I tend to agree with you. As an Illini fan I wish Michigan would have been able to complete their schedule so we didn't have to debate the league champ.

 

Just gives Illinois a chip on their shoulder to go out and win the big ten tournament which I believe they will do, assuming Eli Brooks is out. Would have been good to get a rematch and I would have welcomed it, but not now lol

[Irrelevant Dude]

I was against the whole “Illini co-champs thing” had Michigan won today but since they lost I accept it. Finished 2.5% lower in winning percentage, won H2H, and finished 0.5 games ahead in the standings. Hard to argue with certainty that Michigan would go 3-0 in their makeup games.

Awarding the championship solely based on winning percentage was BS. I'm sure the Big 10 was hoping it didn't come to this, but it doesn't make any sense for the champion to be in 2nd place in the standings. I get that the idea was not to punish teams for missing games due to Covid, but essentially they did just the opposite. Instead they punished Illinois by assuming that Michigan would have won all 3 of their remaining games. Michigan had every motivation not to play those games.

[Cubswin11]

I still don’t get why Wisconsin is considered a lock to get in. They really don’t have any good wins, they beat Loyola and a Louisville team that had a bunch of guys out and Rutgers that’s it. They didn’t beat any of Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, OSU or Purdue. They also are limping to the finish if there’s any decency considerations. I feel like they need to win a BIG tournament game or two and really should be closer to out than in right now and they’re just getting by on program name/conference reputation.

[bukie]

I still don’t get why Wisconsin is considered a lock to get in. They really don’t have any good wins, they beat Loyola and a Louisville team that had a bunch of guys out and Rutgers that’s it. They didn’t beat any of Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, OSU or Purdue. They also are limping to the finish if there’s any decency considerations. I feel like they need to win a BIG tournament game or two and really should be closer to out than in right now and they’re just getting by on program name/conference reputation.

Wins at Maryland, Rutgers, MSU and home vs Louisville and Loyola is plenty of good wins, and they have no bad losses. Nobody's making them a top 4 seed, but they're in the 7-8 category at least.

[Cubswin11]

I still don’t get why Wisconsin is considered a lock to get in. They really don’t have any good wins, they beat Loyola and a Louisville team that had a bunch of guys out and Rutgers that’s it. They didn’t beat any of Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, OSU or Purdue. They also are limping to the finish if there’s any decency considerations. I feel like they need to win a BIG tournament game or two and really should be closer to out than in right now and they’re just getting by on program name/conference reputation.

Wins at Maryland, Rutgers, MSU and home vs Louisville and Loyola is plenty of good wins, and they have no bad losses. Nobody's making them a top 4 seed, but they're in the 7-8 category at least.

Losses to Marquette and Penn State aren’t great and like I mentioned the Louisville win should be discounted, Louisville had guys out with either injuries or COVID (I remember the game was close to being canceled because Louisville maybe couldn’t have enough guys active the days leading up). And yeah I know they’ll be a 7-10 seed when they get in, just don’t think they’re particularly good and they should be closer to the bubble than they’re talked about/projected to be. Imo.

[UMFan83]

I still don’t get why Wisconsin is considered a lock to get in. They really don’t have any good wins, they beat Loyola and a Louisville team that had a bunch of guys out and Rutgers that’s it. They didn’t beat any of Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, OSU or Purdue. They also are limping to the finish if there’s any decency considerations. I feel like they need to win a BIG tournament game or two and really should be closer to out than in right now and they’re just getting by on program name/conference reputation.

 

They came into today 25 in NET ratings (12th in KenPom though that doesn’t matter) and have 4 Q1 wins. Look at the resumes of some of those first 4 out teams and...yeah

[Cubswin11]

I still don’t get why Wisconsin is considered a lock to get in. They really don’t have any good wins, they beat Loyola and a Louisville team that had a bunch of guys out and Rutgers that’s it. They didn’t beat any of Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, OSU or Purdue. They also are limping to the finish if there’s any decency considerations. I feel like they need to win a BIG tournament game or two and really should be closer to out than in right now and they’re just getting by on program name/conference reputation.

 

They came into today 25 in NET ratings (12th in KenPom though that doesn’t matter) and have 4 Q1 wins. Look at the resumes of some of those first 4 out teams and...yeah

It always seems like KenPom has a blind spot for them but yeah, probably more an indictment on the bubble/first 4-12 out teams on not capitalizing on a clearly bad Wisconsin team. Plus obviously the whole COVID stuff keeping non-conference/pre-season tournaments down.

[gflore34]

I still don’t get why Wisconsin is considered a lock to get in. They really don’t have any good wins, they beat Loyola and a Louisville team that had a bunch of guys out and Rutgers that’s it. They didn’t beat any of Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, OSU or Purdue. They also are limping to the finish if there’s any decency considerations. I feel like they need to win a BIG tournament game or two and really should be closer to out than in right now and they’re just getting by on program name/conference reputation.

 

They came into today 25 in NET ratings (12th in KenPom though that doesn’t matter) and have 4 Q1 wins. Look at the resumes of some of those first 4 out teams and...yeah

It always seems like KenPom has a blind spot for them but yeah, probably more an indictment on the bubble/first 4-12 out teams on not capitalizing on a clearly bad Wisconsin team. Plus obviously the whole COVID stuff keeping non-conference/pre-season tournaments down.

 

I thought they were way overrated, preseason AP poll had them at 7, when they clearly benefited from an easier in conference schedule last season. I was rooting for them last night, despise Iowa in every way shape and form, as some have mentioned there's not a player on that Iowa roster that's remotely likable. Was surprised the officials decided to call a hook and hold on Davidson after letting him get away with it earlier in the game perhaps, they warned him after the first time. Still, though, I think they'll get in, more on reputation than anything, because the numbers probably suggest they should be out.

[cbbryan]

Illinois up to #3. Michigan falls to #4 and Wisconsin falls out of the top 25.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-michigan-falls-to-no-4-baylor-up-to-no-2-illinois-no-3-in-ap-top-25-poll/

[bukie]

 

They came into today 25 in NET ratings (12th in KenPom though that doesn’t matter) and have 4 Q1 wins. Look at the resumes of some of those first 4 out teams and...yeah

It always seems like KenPom has a blind spot for them but yeah, probably more an indictment on the bubble/first 4-12 out teams on not capitalizing on a clearly bad Wisconsin team. Plus obviously the whole COVID stuff keeping non-conference/pre-season tournaments down.

 

I thought they were way overrated, preseason AP poll had them at 7, when they clearly benefited from an easier in conference schedule last season. I was rooting for them last night, despise Iowa in every way shape and form, as some have mentioned there's not a player on that Iowa roster that's remotely likable. Was surprised the officials decided to call a hook and hold on Davidson after letting him get away with it earlier in the game perhaps, they warned him after the first time. Still, though, I think they'll get in, more on reputation than anything, because the numbers probably suggest they should be out.

The numbers do not suggest they should be out of the tournament, not even close.

[gflore34]

It always seems like KenPom has a blind spot for them but yeah, probably more an indictment on the bubble/first 4-12 out teams on not capitalizing on a clearly bad Wisconsin team. Plus obviously the whole COVID stuff keeping non-conference/pre-season tournaments down.

 

I thought they were way overrated, preseason AP poll had them at 7, when they clearly benefited from an easier in conference schedule last season. I was rooting for them last night, despise Iowa in every way shape and form, as some have mentioned there's not a player on that Iowa roster that's remotely likable. Was surprised the officials decided to call a hook and hold on Davidson after letting him get away with it earlier in the game perhaps, they warned him after the first time. Still, though, I think they'll get in, more on reputation than anything, because the numbers probably suggest they should be out.

The numbers do not suggest they should be out of the tournament, not even close.

 

You're right, saw a video of Gard whining about the officiating in his post game interview found it quit ironic and entertaining. Although, I will agree Wisconsin got screwed by some bad calls, not the hook and hold by Davison but, on an out of bounds call late in the game.

[bukie]

 

I thought they were way overrated, preseason AP poll had them at 7, when they clearly benefited from an easier in conference schedule last season. I was rooting for them last night, despise Iowa in every way shape and form, as some have mentioned there's not a player on that Iowa roster that's remotely likable. Was surprised the officials decided to call a hook and hold on Davidson after letting him get away with it earlier in the game perhaps, they warned him after the first time. Still, though, I think they'll get in, more on reputation than anything, because the numbers probably suggest they should be out.

The numbers do not suggest they should be out of the tournament, not even close.

 

You're right, saw a video of Gard whining about the officiating in his post game interview found it quit ironic and entertaining. Although, I will agree Wisconsin got screwed by some bad calls, not the hook and hold by Davison but, on an out of bounds call late in the game.

The phantom 5th foul call on Trice was awful, and the out of bounds call was dicey. The hook and hold on Davison was overdue if anything.

[gflore34]

The numbers do not suggest they should be out of the tournament, not even close.

 

You're right, saw a video of Gard whining about the officiating in his post game interview found it quit ironic and entertaining. Although, I will agree Wisconsin got screwed by some bad calls, not the hook and hold by Davison but, on an out of bounds call late in the game.

The phantom 5th foul call on Trice was awful, and the out of bounds call was dicey. The hook and hold on Davison was overdue if anything.

 

Forgot about the one on Trice, what a terrible call.

[Tim]

The hook and hold on Davison was overdue if anything.

By about three years.

[woodchip2153]

 

I thought they were way overrated, preseason AP poll had them at 7, when they clearly benefited from an easier in conference schedule last season. I was rooting for them last night, despise Iowa in every way shape and form, as some have mentioned there's not a player on that Iowa roster that's remotely likable. Was surprised the officials decided to call a hook and hold on Davidson after letting him get away with it earlier in the game perhaps, they warned him after the first time. Still, though, I think they'll get in, more on reputation than anything, because the numbers probably suggest they should be out.

The numbers do not suggest they should be out of the tournament, not even close.

 

You're right, saw a video of Gard whining about the officiating in his post game interview found it quit ironic and entertaining. Although, I will agree Wisconsin got screwed by some bad calls, not the hook and hold by Davison but, on an out of bounds call late in the game.

 

He tried claiming that a hook and hold happens on every possession, and my only thought was that's because Davison tries it on every possession. Davison trying to frame Kofi for the hook and hold against Illinois and then getting indignant when they correctly called it on him was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

[gflore34]

The numbers do not suggest they should be out of the tournament, not even close.

 

You're right, saw a video of Gard whining about the officiating in his post game interview found it quit ironic and entertaining. Although, I will agree Wisconsin got screwed by some bad calls, not the hook and hold by Davison but, on an out of bounds call late in the game.

 

He tried claiming that a hook and hold happens on every possession, and my only thought was that's because Davison tries it on every possession. Davison trying to frame Kofi for the hook and hold against Illinois and then getting indignant when they correctly called it on him was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

 

Its not, as Gard suggested, a random instance of arms getting tangled, for Davison its by design.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Trice had 17 fouls that game. That crew was beyond awful.